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Old 05-05-2013, 11:17 PM   #276
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he is a hell of alot better actor than the hunter Parrish,Colton Haynes,lucas till,liam hemsworth suggestions i constantly see who are just pretty faces with limited acting talent


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I guess that begs the question then: does Clark Kent have to be from Kansas? What if he crashed in Tenessee or Alabama or somewhere else in the south where the Kents lived instead? Does Smallville have to be in Kansas?
I would say "yes, for the most part." If he's not from the Archetypical Middle American Farm Land, that would change his character in notable ways. If you drop him in Alabama, for instance, then he's growing up in the slowly collapsing ruins of Jim Crow. This would matter, a lot. You would still get a hero, yes, but it'd be a *different* hero. . . and all the moreso if you moved Smallville to Alabama so that a black Kal-El could be raised by a black Ma and Pa Kent.

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Its not his alien origin that requires he be white. Its his Kansas small farm upbringing. An important part of his origin is that he is Pa and Ma Kent's son, and believed to be such by himself and everyone around him, just another small town country boy. And there aren't a lot of black farmers in 70s Kansas.
How about a black boy raised by white farmers? Won't that work?

Anyway, I stand by my opinion that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Keep Johnny the way he is in the comics.

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who says anything about fixing god this whole it is stunt casting Hollywood being pc crap is so annoying mbj couldn't possibly be liked by josh trank who he worked with already and couldn't of given a good screen test to be called back several times

no it is change for sake of change and stunt casting

should they just turn him down even tho he may of wowed them with oh sorry mike you are great but your black sorry

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How about a black boy raised by white farmers? Won't that work?
Still a notably different dynamic. An important part of Clark's upbringing is that he fits in. Smallville is his home, and he feels as naturally a part of it as if he were the biological child of the Kents. Having him be the only black kid in a hundred miles would interfere with that.

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Still a notably different dynamic. An important part of Clark's upbringing is that he fits in. Smallville is his home, and he feels as naturally a part of it as if he were the biological child of the Kents. Having him be the only black kid in a hundred miles would interfere with that.
.... There's black people everywhere...... Lol there probably isn't a US state that has only one black kid in a 100 mile radius... That notion is ridiculous

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.... There's black people everywhere...... Lol there probably isn't a US state that has only one black kid in a 100 mile radius... That notion is ridiculous
You know what while we're at it let all the FF, Reed,Sue, Johnny & Ben be black
It still doesn't change that this reboot will be a total waste of studio budget. So it doesn't matter the race of the characters. The eventual flop remains the same no matter what race of characters they choose to change. That's the real issue really.


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From the front page, Brad Bird's thoughts regarding an Incredibles sequel:

"I have been thinking about it. People think that I have not been, but I have. Because I love those characters and love that world. I am stroking my chin and scratching my head. I have many, many elements that I think would work really well in another [Incredibles] film, and if I can get ‘em to click all together, I would probably wanna do that.

If Disney/Marvel really wanted to be aggressive regarding their FF IP rights, an Incredibles sequel scheduled to open a week or two before the FF reboot would go a long way toward diminishing FOX's enthusiasm for the project. Sadly, time won't allow for Bird's sequel before 2015. But there should be enough time for Disney/Pixar to put a 3-D version of the original into theaters as competition for the FF reboot -if they wanted to play hardball with FOX.

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Here's a question. If Johnny is cast with a black actor in the role, but then later on Fox decide to recast (for whatever reason - either he doesn't want to come back, there are creative differences etc) then would they recast with another black actor or a white actor this time round? And if it's the latter, how will they explain the change other than saying they picked the best available actor for the part?

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I'm not convince this film will happen. Unless a full cast debuts before or at SDCC I can't take FOX seriously. Seems like they always makes a statement that FF is coming round then, but as I said I'll believe it when I see it.

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I'm not convince this film will happen.
I hope not. I don't want to troll anyone who's looking forward to it but the rights reverting to Marvel is the best possible outcome imo. It gives MS another tentpole if they have to break from Avengers, it fills massive holes in the MCU (Doom, Surfer, Galactus, Annihilus,etc) and frankly I'm not convinced Fox has any interest in it other than churning out a few cheap films to hold onto the license.

I am PRAYING it stalls. Pleasepleaseplease. Fox can have the X-Men but the FF don't belong there.

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I'd like Marvel to get back Silver Surfer so they can make a movie with him starring in it. However Fox can keep the F4 I think they are pretty boring in every aspect the greatest thing about them is the coming of Galactus arc because that introduced the sentinel of the spaceways. If they had SS in the Avengers movie they wouldn't have needed anybody else to stop the invasion he's that bad ass.

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I'd like Marvel to get back Silver Surfer so they can make a movie with him starring in it. However Fox can keep the F4 I think they are pretty boring in every aspect the greatest thing about them is the coming of Galactus arc because that introduced the sentinel of the spaceways. If they had SS in the Avengers movie they wouldn't have needed anybody else to stop the invasion he's that bad ass.
Then it would be just a Silver Surfer movie and not an Avengers movie. They could all go home. And it wouldn't do so well at the box office.

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I was just making a point about how bad ass SS is I didn't say it seriously.

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i'm picturing Obama in the marvel werehouse with a brown marker and a stack of F4 comics hahaha

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Given the growing animosity between FOX and Disney, I'm calling it now - The Incredibles 3D, in theaters March 6, 2015.

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I think we can also expect the skrulls (maybe even kree too) in the film as well since Ronan and the kree are rumored to be in guardians.

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President Obama????
As one who Is white and voted for Obama twice I maintain the changing of race Is bad Idea.I don't like changing race of characters.I didn't like It when fox has done It.I don't like It when sony did It with moneypenny,and I don't like that
warner brothers Is doing It with perry white.

How would some like It If DIsney and marvel changed blade and luke cage Into
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well thing about Blade is nothing is really black about him besides his skin (race neutral character)
besides it turns out he's English lol

that being said i prefer a black Blade

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As one who Is white and voted for Obama twice I maintain the changing of race Is bad Idea.I don't like changing race of characters.I didn't like It when fox has done It.I don't like It when sony did It with moneypenny,and I don't like that
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How would some like It If DIsney and marvel changed blade and luke cage Into
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Thats your opinion as fan of the comics but they aren't just changing race for the sake of change. Michael B. Jordan according to the director of Chronicle who is also directing the FF calls Jordan a genius. He wants to work with him again because he is one of the best actors he's ever worked with regardless of race. If he gets picked up for the role it will be because he is the best qualified. I think everyone would appreciate that kind of equality for any job they applied to and not be limited because of race,gender, or sexual orientation.

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well thing about Blade is nothing is really black about him besides his skin (race neutral character)
besides it turns out he's English lol

that being said i prefer a black Blade
but comic book Blade and movie Blade are like two different animals movie blade is way better

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Iron man 2, Thor, and The Incredible Hulk disagree. Of course, that's my own personal opinion, but I don't like any of those movies.
Personally, I don't think any of Marvel's movies have been clear disasters. To me, they ranged from okay (Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2) to Amazing (Iron Man, The Avengers). Other may disagree but I think most posters have at least one or two favorites of Marvel Studios and the best thing about that is that it varies.

It's funny, I've never heard so many different opinions on what people like and dislike with superhero movies under one brand. While almost every agree about Iron Man and The Avengers, I've heard people love and hate Thor, Captain America, Iron Man 2, and the Incredible Hulk.

I don't think Marvel Studios botched any of their movies. Iron Man 3's twist was a risk that I think had mixed results but I wouldn't call the movie a disaster, especially considering that it was Shane Black's idea that Feige ran with. It wasn't forced upon him, and at least applaud Marvel for out of the box thinking.

I know it's been said that Fox wouldn't have gotten away with it if they did it and you're right. I agree that they wouldn't have. Marvel built up such good will among fans that they were able to take more risks that fans may be more open to accept. Contrary to other posters beliefs, I don't see Marvel doing many risks like this and I see them sticking to the source material.

Fox, however, has screwed up in the past, mainly during the mid 00s. However, as I said before, Tom Rothman learned his lesson after X-Men Origins and after the success of Avatar, he learned that he should stop meddling in director's projects (in which before he resigned he did exactly that). That's how Fox had successes like X-Men First Class, Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

Fox will continue to learn to get better because of their competition, not despite it. Fox will have better faith in their source material because it's been proven that being more faithful will have more positive effects and choosing the right directors will prove to be beneficial. They're no longer hiring the Mark Steven Johnson's or the Tim Story's to simply be Yes Men. They're hiring directors to let them do their own thing.

Marvel Studios to me has been the best, but that doesn't mean Fox is as terrible as people make it to be now. They're trying to rectify their mistakes.

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Personally, I don't think any of Marvel's movies have been clear disasters. To me, they ranged from okay (Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2) to Amazing (Iron Man, The Avengers). Other may disagree but I think most posters have at least one or two favorites of Marvel Studios and the best thing about that is that it varies.

It's funny, I've never heard so many different opinions on what people like and dislike with superhero movies under one brand. While almost every agree about Iron Man and The Avengers, I've heard people love and hate Thor, Captain America, Iron Man 2, and the Incredible Hulk.

I don't think Marvel Studios botched any of their movies. Iron Man 3's twist was a risk that I think had mixed results but I wouldn't call the movie a disaster, especially considering that it was Shane Black's idea that Feige ran with. It wasn't forced upon him, and at least applaud Marvel for out of the box thinking.

I know it's been said that Fox wouldn't have gotten away with it if they did it and you're right. I agree that they wouldn't have. Marvel built up such good will among fans that they were able to take more risks that fans may be more open to accept. Contrary to other posters beliefs, I don't see Marvel doing many risks like this and I see them sticking to the source material.

Fox, however, has screwed up in the past, mainly during the mid 00s. However, as I said before, Tom Rothman learned his lesson after X-Men Origins and after the success of Avatar, he learned that he should stop meddling in director's projects (in which before he resigned he did exactly that). That's how Fox had successes like X-Men First Class, Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

Fox will continue to learn to get better because of their competition, not despite it. Fox will have better faith in their source material because it's been proven that being more faithful will have more positive effects and choosing the right directors will prove to be beneficial. They're no longer hiring the Mark Steven Johnson's or the Tim Story's to simply be Yes Men. They're hiring directors to let them do their own thing.

Marvel Studios to me has been the best, but that doesn't mean Fox is as terrible as people make it to be now. They're trying to rectify their mistakes.
Great points made by you.

Still, the fan reaction will always be pretty much the same. If Marvel Studios made The Amazing Spider-Man, people would have **** their pants over it. And if Fox or Sony made Iron Man Three, the outrage would have been legendary.

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