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One of the reasons I love, and I mean LOVE all these movies by Marvel Studios was because what they were doing with they're characters on a paper, the way they were supposed to be made on the big screen!
Sony and Fox started that same route with both Spider-man and X-Men. Keyword: "started". Of course, until Sony released Spider-man 3 where they basically ruined one of the best Spidey villains in Venom and even fogged up Pete's own origin story. And then Fox with their X-Men 3 where they basically destroyed and killed off Cyclops, Professor X, and ruined Phoenix. Let's not even go to where both studios took Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider. Comic book fans were alienated and have since been calling for the day both Sony and Fox would give back those rights to Marvel. Seven Marvel Studio movies and it's still been a beautiful formula... Until... Iron Man 3 came. The Mandarin twist was something I'd have expect to see from Sony or Fox... but not Marvel Studios. Kevin Feige, the biggest commandment of translating a comic book into the big screen is very simple: DO - NOT - ALIENATE - YOUR - FANS - THAT - HAVE - BEEN - READING - YOUR - BOOKS. This is THE exact reason for the backlash Sony and Fox have been getting after their recent films. "I think a lot of the fans may not like it if we make this character..." <--- The moment that kind of thought crosses your mind, just stop right there. Don't even think about pulling the trigger, because it's already a mistake. We understand some changes have to be made to bring some of these characters and stories to make them more relatable to this era, something like Wolverine being 6 foot tall can't be helped, or even Spidey's organic web shooters, and that's because even if they weren't direct from the source material, they still didn't tarnish the integrity of those characters. It's always about the CHARACTERS. Feige knew before hand when this whole thing was being discussed about turning the Mandarin into a joke that it was going to cause a lot of controversy and even alienate some fans, but he still did it anyway... why? The twist didn't bring anything much to the story for the casual moviegoers, but it angered a lot of the fans of the book. IM3 honestly almost felt like a Joe Quesada "One More Day" production, more so than a Kevin Feige one. It even felt more like a Shane Black "Lethal Weapon" movie than it did "The Avengers." And yes, I've read the thread about how Captain America's quote from the Avengers basically tied the whole meaning of the IM3 film, but the point is, unless you're a philosopher dissecting every meaning of the film, all the fans saw was that of the greatest Iron Man villain basically ruined to the point that it became nothing but a JOKE. Bad enough the Mandarin wasn't a big villain, he got turned into literally a sideshow joke. Once this trend starts, there's a good chance it's going to keep happening and even be more brazen. Please Kevin, stay as true to not just your story, but also to your characters, both heroes and villains. Please do not turn these characters into a JOKE, a joke that other film makers in the future may not even bother using because the joke on the screen (that more of the mainstream media gets to see) got bigger than actual character on the book. Hopefully this kind of thing won't need to happen again. The best thing about Marvel Studios' movies have always been the fact that their stories and characters are both gratifying to the comic book fans and the general audiences as well. _____________________________ Last edited by Disney Man; 05-08-2013 at 09:13 PM. |
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Amen.
A quote from Shane Black to emphasize your point: Quote:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Liste...ers-37355.html
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lol at the *****ing over the Mandarin twist. The Mandarin twist wasn't anywhere near as stupid as things Fox has done. It made perfect sense for the movie and the MCU itself and remained true to the idea of the character from the comics. The Mandarin as a concept just does not work in modern times, it's ****ing stupid.
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Well at some point, one of their movies are gonna totally suck. All of the studios out there had a bad movie, even Pixar had bad movies. Its just a matter of time.
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![]() Have you even read the comics or know the history of the Mandarin? He is not anywhere near one of the greatest Marvel villains. He's barely better than trash. The only reason he's somewhat well known as Iron Man's villain is because the rest of his rogues gallery is even worse. The way they portrayed the Mandarin in the film is hella more compelling than what's in the comics. Killian WAS the Mandarin. He even had Fing Fang Foom tattoos. The Mandarin is a symbol, not just a man in the MCU. |
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Comic readers are a small fraction of the people buying movie tickets.
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Go ahead and discount the fans' opinions. See how long that works out...
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It's not something I'll condone by paying for more than one ticket this time around. Sure the movie will do fine without my continued patronage, oh well. So will Fox and Sony movies.
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This does not mean at all Feige is going to start signing off on turning villains and characters like Winter Soldier, Red Skull, Thanos, etc into things they aren't because Mandarin simply is not on that scale of iconography in the first place. |
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Boxofficemojo's estimate of domestic ticket sales alone for The Avengers is 76,768,200. 240,000 tickets is only 0.3% of the estimated domestic tickets sales. 0.3%...and that's if every member of this forum lived in the US and bought SIX tickets. Now, are there hardcore comic fans that aren't a member of this forum? Sure. Enough to make a significantly larger percentage of those tickets sales? Probably not. I'm not entering into an argument about Marvel's business or creative practices. I'm simply pointing out to you that you are wholly incorrect about the buying power of the hardcore comic fan-base. We like to believe that we are voices worth listening to...and Marvel generally does listen. But they do so out of the goodness of their hearts, not because they're afraid of us cutting into their profits. We don't mean squat when it comes to making money. Period.
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^ Not to mention most people on this forum aren't actually die hard comic fans anyway.
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What constitutes a "deviation" when it comes to the Mandarin, though? Dude has about a billion reinterpretations and reimaginings to his name over various mediums.
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Because there are only 40,000 comic book readers in the world. Let alone the US. And those comic book readers don't have any friends or family who they bring to the theaters (several times in some cases). And then those friends and family don't spread the word about the amazing job Joss Whedon did. Nah... But more importantly than that, is what Feige said, "It is incredibly gratifying that people have responded to what comic fans have known for decades..." We know what is good. We've been buying it and reading it since we were 6 years old.
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And this is the only one that turns him from "intimidating threat" to "hobo with smelly poops"
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This is a good point. And although Killian didn't have rings or a beard, he had the physical enhancements and ability to fight Iron Man hand-to-hand we know Mandarin for and he had Fing Fang Foom tattoos.
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First of all we don't even know if they're going to use the Infinity Gauntlet. Second, THE MANDARIN IS NOT IN THE SAME CLASS AS THANOS. Again, have you even read the comics? Not to mention using alien tech in an Iron Man movie is completely in contrast of the theme of them and why they didn't want to use alien rings in the first place.
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Yes. It is cute...and irrefutable.
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I exaggerated those numbers highly in favor of the comic book fans...and they were still laughably low in terms of registering on the box office profit richter scale. And I even said..."Now, are there hardcore comic fans that aren't a member of this forum? Sure. Enough to make a significantly larger percentage of those tickets sales? Probably not." Quote:
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Fans always want to have their cake and eat it too.
When MCU started to become popular: "Marvel doesn't take risks! All their movies are cookie cutter fluff!!" When Shane Black decides to take what is frankly a ludicrous racist character and write him in a manner to make a statement on western views on terrorism. "Oh no!, you're bastardizing an iconic character" Its always "what have you done for me lately?" Always finding things to complain about |
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^ Completely agree. And the Mandarin isn't even an iconic character on top of all that.
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In fact, this is true for just about any fandom in general, not just comics...unfortunately.
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