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View Poll Results: Identify the "Sacrifice" for the finale.
Malcolm Merlyn 4 22.22%
Tommy Merlyn 5 27.78%
Moira Queen 4 22.22%
Walter Steel 2 11.11%
Name your own 3 16.67%
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:42 AM   #1
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Default So, who's going to be the "Sacrifice?"

It's the title of the season finale, we've had one character death with Yao Fei's passing, and implicitly we'll have at least one very close call before the season is over.

Pick an option and defend it, and we can all come back and share bragging rights if we got it right.

I'm picking Tommy, because I'm a sucker for a subversion of the Villainous father and son dynamic, and the phrase "sacrifice" seems more like the type of thing Malcolm would say.

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Old 05-09-2013, 11:08 AM   #2
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I could see either Walter or Diggle biting the dust, but I voted for Walter. Moira would probably shoot him in the face in a heartbeat if it meant keeping her kids alive. On the other hand, I could see Diggle sacrificing himself for the mission.

I don't think Malcom would sacrifice Tommy for the Undertaking, though. He's doing all this because he lost his wife to the Glades.

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Old 05-09-2013, 11:40 AM   #3
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I have no idea where it came from but last night I thought it could be Thea who bites the dust. I love Willa Holland, she's awesome and it would suck to see her go but over the past few days I've thought of a reason for each character to die and there is always an issue with it but with Thea it just seems to fit.

It would spur Ollie to continue, motivate Roy more, possibly send Walter and Moira back together OR down darker paths.

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Old 05-09-2013, 02:26 PM   #4
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I'm gonna say Malcolm,but I'm sure I'll be wrong.It's too obvious.I don't really see anyone else dying at this point.I guess Moira might be the only other possibility.

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Old 05-09-2013, 03:22 PM   #5
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I have the same feeling as RazaTron that Thea has is most likely to die. Her death would propel the most people into all sorts of awesome directions. Pity though, she's great and here resemblance to Moira Queen is uncanny.

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Old 05-09-2013, 04:43 PM   #6
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I said Tommy, I just see it propelling the Merlyn and Queen rivalry further. I would have said Malcolm but then Tommy is so unmatched in the archery business that he would have to disappear for a few years to go and train then come back to the show, plus (even though I will not put it past them) the best friend becoming your archrival story has been played out on the CW (Smallville and I'm sure not the only show either, I don't watch much tv) and in the movies (Spider-Man)

However I do have to agree with Ultra Nolanite and RazaTron, that Thea's death will propel more people on their respected paths.

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Old 05-10-2013, 05:12 AM   #7
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I say Tommy too. Even with that stupid stunt Ollie pulled the last Episode, I want to see Tommy remain the big man and not have a broken heart turn him into a villain. I want him to discover who his father is and what his plans are. He already hates Ollie for what he's doing, and he's killing bad guys. I doubt he'd accept what his father is doing. Seriously, instead of turning into a villain, I want to see him die, trying to prevent mass murder at the hands of his father.

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Old 05-10-2013, 05:26 AM   #8
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I guess Tommy is a plausible option, he too would effect a number of characters, not as many as Thea but I could see it splitting Laurel and Ollie apart, obviously it would effect Malcolm, if Tommy saves Thea there would be a guilt aspect her character could experience and then it would explain why Roy got bumped to a season regular.

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Old 05-10-2013, 07:57 AM   #9
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I said Moira just because I can't imagine how Oliver would be able to interact with her next season. I see her making a self sacrifice for her family which would redeem her character a bit.

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Old 05-10-2013, 08:00 AM   #10
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Also, I don't see tommy biting the dust when they've invested so much into the character. He is one who doesn't feel like has run its course. Det Lance, Moira and Walter all feel like they have.

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Old 05-10-2013, 09:15 AM   #11
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The longer promo for Sacrifice shows Moira confessing at a press conference everything she knows about the Undertaking and features a confrontation between Ollie and Tommy. Neither clip really spoils exactly what will happen, but their placement in the episode will decide quite a lot. If Moira is confessing early on, it would herald a redemption arc for the character, and force Malcolm into Dark Archer mode early and move up his timetable. If Tommy and Olliver fight early on and he discovers his dad's costume soon after, it plays as a reveal to Tommy as to what his dad does and backs up the Tommy dies idea. If that happens after the final battle, it's a Malcolm does scenario that easily establishes that Tommy will return after training, since he's obviously outclassed.

If Tommy dies and Malcolm sees it as a necessary sacrifice for the undertaking, Malcolm becomes an irredeemable villain with nonetheless sympathetic traits, like Demona from Gargoyles. If Malcolm dies, sacrificing himself to try and carry out the Undertaking, I hope Tommy fixates on Olliver as his target and doesn't go full super villain if he can just be a feuding former friend who's an anti-villain.

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I think it's pretty much clear that Tommy discovers the suit before Malcolm dies. You can see an elbow disappear in the shot when the wall opens. I'm pretty sure that's Malcolm standing next to Tommy, and not some random bodyguard to someone else in a suit. Plus, you need a finger print to open the wall. So Tommy knows his father is the Archer. And if Tommy still is the guy we've come to know this season, he's not going to like it.

I definitely don't want Tommy to go down the evil route. Preferably I also don't want him to die. Tommy seems to be the only thing left in the world Malcolm actually cares about. Maybe Tommy could get badly wounded, giving Malcolm some pause, as he might possible be responsible, enough time for Ollie to finish him off.

But if Tommy does end up taking his father's mantle, I hope he will only make Ollie the target of his Vengeance. But never actually kills anyone else.

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Old 05-10-2013, 10:25 AM   #13
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My best bet is Moira or Thea, or perhaps both.

In the comics, neither of his fam is around, would be nice to kind of see him like that. Although it's an extreme, it would be interesting to see if he's willing to sacrifice his family for the city showing how extreme his quest is.

it would also allow for Malcolm/Tommy relation to continue to grow, allow for Roy to take the mantle speedy in homage to his dead girlfriend. Give Ollie nobody to worry about (much like in batman.)

The only odd part is, how do you keep Malcolm alive? Ollie knows he's the dark archer now. Ollie's tried killing him, why would he ever let him go back to just having a normal business life? and would ollie even believe that?

The exception being if Tommy dies for his dad, perhaps sympathy from Ollie and the realization that he can't kill as a solution, as friends can die from that, and Tommy isn't a bad guy, and I think Ollie realizes this.

Hell, in there friendship so far I picture Ollie the bad guy, constantly lies to his best friend.

I don't see Walter dying as his death serves no purpose, it doesn't advance the story, and it doesn't stunt the story either.



Out of the characters this is the order I think they have the highest chance of dying. I can't really seeing it not being one of these four.

Moira
Malcolm
Thea
Tommy
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I only use Diggle because Roy Harper has been confirmed as a season regular for next season, and well, that kind of kicks diggle out of the sidekick role.

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Old 05-10-2013, 10:30 AM   #14
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it would also allow for Malcolm/Tommy relation to continue to grow, allow for Roy to take the mantle speedy in homage to his dead girlfriend. Give Ollie nobody to worry about (much like in batman.)
Oliver still gets called The Hood. Never will Roy be called, or take the name Speedy. Especially since the name never really made sense. I think they nicknamed her Speedy, just as an homage to the comic.

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Old 05-12-2013, 11:32 AM   #15
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Kind of wish you guys who chose Thea would vote in the other category.

And while I don't see Roy becoming "Speedy" it wouldn't be hard for someone to call him the walking Arsenal.

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I have no idea where it came from but last night I thought it could be Thea who bites the dust. I love Willa Holland, she's awesome and it would suck to see her go but over the past few days I've thought of a reason for each character to die and there is always an issue with it but with Thea it just seems to fit.

It would spur Ollie to continue, motivate Roy more, possibly send Walter and Moira back together OR down darker paths.

Thea would be my guess, gives Roy his motivation and the Speedy mantra.

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Motivation? He already wants to find The Hood and be like him, because he apparently already lost people dear to him. He's got plenty of motivation already. Killing Thea would be unnecessary. If anything, she should die later, when Roy already is the Red Arrow, and her death would push him towards becoming Arsenal.

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The sacrifices I can see are Moira Queen, Detective Lance, and Malcolm Merlyn as they relate to the main triangle of Oliver, Dinah Laurel, and Tommy.

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Oliver, Felicity, Diggle, Roy, Shado and Laurel are locks for next season I imagine.

Anyone else can die. I think it will be Detective Lance (he's just given his blessing to Laurel, so he can discover who the hood is, then die) personally with one of the Merlyn's, most likely Malcolm. Tommy's actor has a great look for CW and is pretty popular with the viewers, although his fate would have been written before he was even cast most likely.

Someone is going to die on the island too, likely Fyers but could be Slade. Surprised Yao Fei went before the finale.


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I can actually see Tommy killing his Dad to stop The Undertaking from happening, I think that will be the 'sacrifice' of the episode, it'll be interesting to see.

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Now there's an interesting idea. Tommy killing his father because he's obviously gone off the deep end would act as a sympathetic start of darkness.

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I think Oliver will be the one doing the sacrificing. He said last episode that his father wanted him to right his wrongs and Ollie said the undertaking is what he was talking about. So his plan is to stop The undertaking from happening then be done with crime fighting. I think the sacrifice comes in by Ollie realizing the city still needs him so he makes sacrifices (laurel) and continues to be "the hood"

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Now there's an interesting idea. Tommy killing his father because he's obviously gone off the deep end would act as a sympathetic start of darkness.
I think this is what we will get, and it will be awesome.

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Some people predicted who it would be, but I don't think anyone predicted the way it would happen. Awesome awesome ending.

Sacrifice was such an amazing title. Every character was willing to sacrifice something, and even the show itself sacrificed something, it's so much more credible knowing that they'll kill off anyone RIP buddy!

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