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Old 05-12-2013, 02:12 AM   #226
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Yeah it doesn't stand a chance at the box office but it'll easily best it in terms of quality
Keep in mind this is still a Zack Snyder film. The guy has never made a movie with a higher tomato meter than 65%. I'm not saying tomato meter is the be all end all of film quality, but it casts some doubts on his ability to make a masterpiece, (and no, Watchmen is NOT a masterpiece.)

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Old 05-12-2013, 03:46 AM   #227
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As someone who'd list Watchmen in their top five, I'd say Watchmen is a masterpiece.

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Old 05-12-2013, 03:49 AM   #228
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I could not agree more. Is there a 0% chance of this?

I mean, I'd think if Man of Steel did well enough, WB would consider offering Bale and/or Nolan batloads of money to make it work...
Had to, lol.

I mean, WB could do this, but then how would it effect Nolan's trilogy? If Man of Steel doesn't show any dates or whatever, it could be shown that a World's Finest team up could be between TDK and TDKR, but even that would raise questions.

Or perhaps someone attacks Gotham City and kills Robin John Blake, prompting Bruce to return where he teams with Superman, but I think Bruce Wayne would have to leave again once whatever evil is defeated because Selina is there for him back in Italy.

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Old 05-12-2013, 04:26 AM   #229
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Had to, lol.

I mean, WB could do this, but then how would it effect Nolan's trilogy? If Man of Steel doesn't show any dates or whatever, it could be shown that a World's Finest team up could be between TDK and TDKR, but even that would raise questions.

Or perhaps someone attacks Gotham City and kills Robin John Blake, prompting Bruce to return where he teams with Superman, but I think Bruce Wayne would have to leave again once whatever evil is defeated because Selina is there for him back in Italy.
Well yeah, I've thought about it plenty myself. Who hasn't? I'm sure many would be on board with Bruce coming out of retirement one last time, realizing his job will never truly be done. But leaving the trilogy "as is" is appealing in its own way.

Still, they've got a good Bruce Wayne and we already respect him. No risk there. WB should opt for the "strategic investment"

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Keep in mind this is still a Zack Snyder film. The guy has never made a movie with a higher tomato meter than 65%. I'm not saying tomato meter is the be all end all of film quality, but it casts some doubts on his ability to make a masterpiece, (and no, Watchmen is NOT a masterpiece.)
I consider Watchmen a masterpeice. It is my favourite movie of all time.

Stating your opinion in bold does not overide mine

Also, I think you forgot about Dawn of the Dead's 75% RT rating

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dawn_of_the_dead/

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Old 05-12-2013, 07:52 AM   #231
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Keep in mind this is still a Zack Snyder film. The guy has never made a movie with a higher tomato meter than 65%. I'm not saying tomato meter is the be all end all of film quality, but it casts some doubts on his ability to make a masterpiece, (and no, Watchmen is NOT a masterpiece.)
Dawn of the Dead got 75%... and it really doesn't cast any doubts. Critics are people like you and me, with opinions. The tomato meter doesn't mean s**t.

Edit: Hopefuldreamer caught the Dawn of the Dead thing before me.

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Old 05-12-2013, 09:12 AM   #232
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A lot of people forget Dawn of the Dead was Snyder's. I like it almost as much as Watchmen.

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Old 05-12-2013, 11:06 AM   #233
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It shouldn't be too difficult for MoS to beat IM3 quality-wise. Just refrain from giving fans the middle finger and you're home free. Of course this IS Snyder and Nolan after all so I gotta keep my expectations in check. Box office-wise this was never even a competition. MoS has no chance in that regard. Better to go up against Thor2 when talking dueling box office numbers. There it has a shot, though I'd still call MoS the underdog in that fight.

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It shouldn't be too difficult for MoS to beat IM3 quality-wise. Just refrain from giving fans the middle finger and you're home free. Of course this IS Snyder and Nolan after all so I gotta keep my expectations in check. Box office-wise this was never even a competition. MoS has no chance in that regard. Better to go up against Thor2 when talking dueling box office numbers. There it has a shot, though I'd still call MoS the underdog in that fight.

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Old 05-12-2013, 12:45 PM   #235
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I can laugh right back at ya, dude. As far as I can see, half of Nolan's movies are good(BB, Memento, Insomnia, Inception) and the rest suck. And for my money, Snyder has yet to make a good film(can't say one way or the other about DotD since I don't watch horror films).

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I pity people that think Captain America and TIH are quality films and think Nolan's movies suck.

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Old 05-12-2013, 01:23 PM   #237
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I can laugh right back at ya, dude. As far as I can see, half of Nolan's movies are good(BB, Memento, Insomnia, Inception) and the rest suck. And for my money, Snyder has yet to make a good film(can't say one way or the other about DotD since I don't watch horror films).
my word! thanks for the chuckle.

on a more serious note. iron man 3 was subpar and decent. MOS looks much more promising.

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Old 05-12-2013, 04:22 PM   #238
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It would be better if they use a rebooted Batman for Cavill's Superman. As much as I loved Nolan's Batman (well, at least 2/3 times), his Batman is not one that would mesh well with Superman or any other JL member. Not only is he retired, crippled, and much older than Cavill's Superman but he also never possessed the things that make Batman important to Superman and the JL. What makes Batman be able to stand side by side with Superman is his his detective skills and overall brilliant intellect, which Nolan's Batman hasn't displayed in the trilogy. The only way Nolan's Batman would work is if you water down the whole JL or if you overpower Batman, neither being options that people would be ok with.

Plus, it would be insulting to Nolan's wishes by bringing his Batman back. The only reason why he would be back at this point is money. Literally just that.

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I have zero interest in Bale ever returning as Batman. Him and Cavill will be strange as Shikamaru has stated his detective skills would not be up to par to be in JL. Also, I'd rather see Batman around the same age as Superman, at least looks wise. Also, I don't have a problem with the voice, I really don't but enough is enough. I don't want to hear that when speaking with Supes.

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Bale for a Justice League film? No.

Bale in a World's Finest film? Yes.

And why do I say yes to the latter? The idea of pitting Nolan's very human Batman up against a super-powered god of an alien would be like a CBM version of 'east meets west' in many ways, and that's how I'd do a WF film anyways. Not using the Batgod from the comics, but a very real human Batman that has his moments and isn't knowledgable with everything at hand compared to an alien that is this almighty superhero, the granddaddy of them all.

But, yes, in a JL universe with more than one alien and more than one god-like superhero, WB should introduce a more capable Batman.

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Bale for a Justice League film? No.

Bale in a World's Finest film? Yes.

And why do I say yes to the latter? The idea of pitting Nolan's very human Batman up against a super-powered god of an alien would be like a CBM version of 'east meets west' in many ways, and that's how I'd do a WF film anyways. Not using the Batgod from the comics, but a very real human Batman that has his moments and isn't knowledgable with everything at hand compared to an alien that is this almighty superhero, the granddaddy of them all.

But, yes, in a JL universe with more than one alien and more than one god-like superhero, WB should introduce a more capable Batman.
I wouldnt even go so far as to call Bale's Bats less capable. I'd be willing to bet if Bale's human body was capable of jumping 10 feet in the air and throw several batarangs (of many different varieties) with pin point accuracy... Then he would be just as capable as comic book Batman. But since the human body isn't capable of this, a realistic Batman might look something like a fool in a Justice League film.

In other words, we need a Batman who is less realistic.

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enjoyed IM3. In MOS's favour is their cast especially Crowe and Shannon. In terms of quality those 2 are their potential trump card

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I have zero interest in Bale ever returning as Batman. Him and Cavill will be strange as Shikamaru has stated his detective skills would not be up to par to be in JL. Also, I'd rather see Batman around the same age as Superman, at least looks wise. Also, I don't have a problem with the voice, I really don't but enough is enough. I don't want to hear that when speaking with Supes.
they dont look that far looks wise

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Keep in mind this is still a Zack Snyder film. The guy has never made a movie with a higher tomato meter than 65%. I'm not saying tomato meter is the be all end all of film quality, but it casts some doubts on his ability to make a masterpiece, (and no, Watchmen is NOT a masterpiece.)

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I expect MoS will likely end up in the 70's %-wise on RT which would be a best ever for Snyder. I've never expected it to be great but I hold out hope that it can be good. We need at least a good one this year.

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I truly think it'll be in the 80 percentile myself. Probably even Batman Begin's same rating on RT.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:57 PM   #248
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I wouldnt even go so far as to call Bale's Bats less capable. I'd be willing to bet if Bale's human body was capable of jumping 10 feet in the air and throw several batarangs (of many different varieties) with pin point accuracy... Then he would be just as capable as comic book Batman. But since the human body isn't capable of this, a realistic Batman might look something like a fool in a Justice League film.
Bale's Batman is also dumb as bricks. Comic book Batman is almost unnaturally sharp and perceptive. So, aside from comic book physicality, he would need a comic book brain.

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Just because they didn't exaggerate his intelligence doesn't mean he was dumb as bricks. That's a bit harsh, no? I think they can play up the "paranoia" angle that we saw with the sonar machine and fusion reactor if Bale's Batman were ever to hypothetically share the screen with Cavill's Superman in a WF movie. Always having a contingency plan, that sorta thing. Alas, that won't be happening.

Anyway, at this rate I'd be very surprised if Man of Steel wasn't very well-received. I'm even hearing that Star Trek Into Darkness is doing some things that not all fans are going to like (the first one had its haters with certain Trekkies too), so in terms of pure "fanboy love" Man of Steel has a decent shot to rise to the top this summer. Unless of course there's some unthinkable change to the mythos we don't know about yet.

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Snyder's movies have a lot of problems, imo, and those problems were not evident in their trailers, so I don't think MoS is outta the woods yet, despite the great trailers/TV spots. Still, if this movie manages to capture all of Snyder and Nolan/Goyer's strengths, even if it does contain a few of their weaknesses as well, it should still end up being pretty great. I think it will be quite well-received, at least well enough to have people hyped for a sequel.

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