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Old 05-18-2013, 10:24 AM   #226
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Xmen 1 made more profit for FOX because it had a small budget ($75 million)

not only was it a new cast but it also followed 2 movies that were not very well recieved so honestly instead of trying to explain why FC didn't make alot of money you should probably work out why X3 was a big let down for FOX, because not only did it have the biggest budget of any Xmen film but it was didn't make that much more then X2 which you can tell FOX thought it would
I'm not talking about profit. (couldn't care less whether FOX made a profit or not) I'm talking about Box office returns which is one of the ways we assess a movie's reception. Regardless of the budget and how much profit was made, X-Men made more than First Class which face it had the same problems stacked against it that First Class.

First Class was a new concept with a new cast. X1 was a new superhero franchise with relatively unknown actors in the lead roles.

FR followed bad X-men movies. X1 followed movies like Batman and Robin which left a bad taste in the mouths of movie goers that no superhero movies were made during the time before X1. Superheroes were a taboo and there was so much risk involved. (that's why the budget was only $75 million.)

but it still outgrossed FC which means that, once again regardless of profit, the movie made more than FC and that more people at the time went to go see X1 than FC.

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that FC being 1 film with a new cast following 2 crappy films and a trilogy that had 3 films to grow on obviously isn't something you can pick apart like saying FC failed because it wasn't the original, you know the 3 films that had the same cast, in terms of how much FC did it actually had quite alot of support from audiences, esp for something new

and Xmen fans want to every Comic character come to life
I never said First Class failed. I said that there was a greater risk with having the FC cast carry a new X-Men movie than there is with having the OT cast as they have carried three successful movies with their lowest grossing movie still outgrossing First Class. My point was originally to magneto23 who said that he doubted the OT cast could carry a new X movie.

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I'm not talking about profit. (couldn't care less whether FOX made a profit or not) I'm talking about Box office returns which is one of the ways we assess a movie's reception. Regardless of the budget and how much profit was made, X-Men made more than First Class which face it had the same problems stacked against it that First Class.

First Class was a new concept with a new cast. X1 was a new superhero franchise with relatively unknown actors in the lead roles.

FR followed bad X-men movies. X1 followed movies like Batman and Robin which left a bad taste in the mouths of movie goers that no superhero movies were made during the time before X1. Superheroes were a taboo and there was so much risk involved. (that's why the budget was only $75 million.)

but it still outgrossed FC which means that, once again regardless of profit, the movie made more than FC and that more people at the time went to go see X1 than FC.
Wait origins only made a small bit more then FC what's your excuse for that?

It made less then X3

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I never said First Class failed. I said that there was a greater risk with having the FC cast carry a new X-Men movie than there is with having the OT cast as they have carried three successful movies with their lowest grossing movie still outgrossing First Class. My point was originally to magneto23 who said that he doubted the OT cast could carry a new X movie.
Yeah course the originals could carry another film, but X3 was an obvious let down to fox, hence the long break

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Wait origins only made a small bit more then FC what's your excuse for that?

It made less then X3. Go on?
Origins did not feature the original cast. It featured just Hugh Jackman. If you reread some of my earlier posts you would see that I have been arguing that Hugh Jackman is the only star that can carry the X-Movies and Origins is evidence of that. Without the OT cast he can't carry a wolverine movie that can outgross X3

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how X-Men outgrossed First Class if it made $296,339,527 worldwide?

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=xmen.htm

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Yeah course the originals could carry another film, but X3 was an obvious let down to fox
If you agree then I don't know why we are having this argument. That has been my entire point, what did you think we were arguing about?

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how X-Men outgrossed First Class if it made $296,339,527 worldwide?

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=xmen.htm
When adjusted for inflation it outgrosses First Class.

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worldwide?

boxoffice mojo only reports the domestic adjusted numbers.

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worldwide?

boxoffice mojo only reports the domestic adjusted numbers.
There's somewhere I go to check the inflation adjustments but I can't remember for the life of me.

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If you agree then I don't know why we are having this argument. That has been my entire point, what did you think we were arguing about?
Point is FC could hold its own also

1 movie

And giving wolverine was the big lead of the xmen films to say origins failed because it didn't have the other xmen Who were not explored very much is puzzling

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Point is FC could hold its own also

1 movie

And giving wolverine was the big lead of the xmen films to say origins failed because it didn't have the other xmen Who were not explored very much is puzzling
I have never said that First Class could not hold their own. I have said that the risk with FC is greater than with the OT and that is likely that even if it does well it won't do big numbers that the OT could do.

Wolverine was the main character yes, doesn't mean people went to watch X-men films because of him. I know enough people that were sick of wolverine and with every X-men movie were hoping that the other characters would get the spotlight.

With origins there was no such hope because it was wolverine's film. I didn't go see origins because I'm not that much of a wolverine fan.

Even Fox did not trust the movie on just Hugh's shoulders that's why they included so much mutants and fan favourites like Gambit and Emma Frost.

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Do I think an x4 would work and do well? If done right yeah, not falling into old habits, obviously bring back certain characters, do the less is more approach for wolverine

Do I think an FC3 would do well? I think it could, it had a solid start, audiences will have more understanding of these characters after DOFP, but can I see it going past a 3rd? No probably not, 80s being the final decade to explore

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Even Fox did not trust the movie on just Hugh's shoulders that's why they included so much mutants and fan favourites like Gambit and Emma Frost.
I'm pretty sure that was done for solo bait, more characters to use for spin offs, as that point everything was going to be origins solo films, next would have been magneto, they were not jumping to do an x4 which left the franchise in limbo, so only one way gambit was gonna be brought in, then the idea of young mutants probAbly with the cast at the end of origins

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I have never said that First Class could not hold their own. I have said that the risk with FC is greater than with the OT and that is likely that even if it does well it won't do big numbers that the OT could do.

Wolverine was the main character yes, doesn't mean people went to watch X-men films because of him. I know enough people that were sick of wolverine and with every X-men movie were hoping that the other characters would get the spotlight.

With origins there was no such hope because it was wolverine's film. I didn't go see origins because I'm not that much of a wolverine fan.

Even Fox did not trust the movie on just Hugh's shoulders that's why they included so much mutants and fan favourites like Gambit and Emma Frost.
big truths.

And lets not forget the inclussion of Deadpool.

Origins wasnt just a WOLVERINE Movie. It was Wolverine and his new friends Deadpool, Gambit with special appareances of young Cyclops and Emma.

So to have all these characters on the same movie and to do those numbers really was a dissapointment. Even if Fox moved on with another solo movie.

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I have never said that First Class could not hold their own. I have said that the risk with FC is greater than with the OT and that is likely that even if it does well it won't do big numbers that the OT could do.
That is fair enough

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FC sequels could easily outdo X3, if done in the next years. For many reasons:

1. The actors being bigger now
2. FC had a great critics and fan reception
3. The ticket prize inflation
4. And if they release it in 3D

All these factors would quickly made a FC direct sequel bigger than X3. The fans saying otherwise are just avoiding these factors.

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Do I think an x4 would work and do well? If done right yeah, not falling into old habits, obviously bring back certain characters, do the less is more approach for wolverine

Do I think an FC3 would do well? I think it could, it had a solid start, audiences will have more understanding of these characters after DOFP, but can I see it going past a 3rd? No probably not, 80s being the final decade to explore
Completely agree with you

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FC sequels could easily outdo X3, if done in the next years. For many reasons:

1. The actors being bigger now
2. FC had a great critics and fan reception
3. The ticket prize inflation
4. And if they release it in 3D

All these factors would quickly made a FC direct sequel bigger than X3. The fans saying otherwise are just avoiding these factors.
A first class sequel done right will easily outdo X3 but if Fox want their X-Men movies to do Avengers numbers then their best bet is with the OT cast.

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glad to finally read an user agreeing about that.

But yeah, I personally think a X4 with the return of Cyclops, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Angel and Beast (Kelsey) with the rest of the crowd would do serious damage.

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The prospects for future installments are beyond enticing. Definitely want to see Gambit appear in a good film some when. A return of Nightcrawler and Beast would be incredible too.

Getting Marsden back as Cyclops is my biggest wish.

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according to the front page this is from godzilla

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just incase anyone gets confused by this

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oh, really??

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A first class sequel done right will easily outdo X3 but if Fox want their X-Men movies to do Avengers numbers then their best bet is with the OT cast.
I agree with everything else you said today, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say a FC sequel could easily outdo X3. It's possible, sure, but they would really need to go all-out.

Chronologically, it would be a little funny if the X-Men had their most epic adventure in FC3, only to have a bunch of little skirmishes by comparison years later in X1. A little anti-climactic. That's assuming a FC3 didn't take place in a rebooted timeline.

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