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And the discussion about The Avengers vs The Dark Knight Rises is why this thread doesn't really have a reason to exist yet: Man of Steel has still to be released. With that being said, Iron Man 3 was a stroke of genius (and as un-"Marvel Studio"-y as it could be, it has Shane Black written all over it), and while Man of Steel is looking good, I have yet to be convinced that this movie can be better. At the moment I'm kinda torn about it. I'm confident that with Nolan producing and David Goyer (who's hit or miss, but has better movies under his belt as a writer) on board to write, this could be interesting, but at the same time find that Zack Snyder has been style over substance, and has been struggling with story and characters so far. I agree with the user who said that the characters in his movies feel like they're in a vacuum; it's almost like every character has his/her own personal bubble he/she lives in, instead of having the space to breathe inside the story, and interacting with other characters in a sincere and organic way. We'll see. I've talked to a guy who works at Warners (in the technical department), who too thinks that Snyder's been style over substance so far, but he also told me that he faired better here under the discipline of Nolan. I can only hope it'll be as good as Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, Favreau's original Iron Man and Black's entry (just citing recent comic book adaptations). P.S.: IMHO there's no such thing as one movie "winning" over another; come on... The Avengers has both outgrossed and has a higher RT percentage than The Dark Knight Rises and (presumably) Iron Man 3. Yet I didn't enjoy Whedon's movie as much as the other two. Does that mean I'm on "the loser's side" and STFU when talking movies? Hell nah... Last edited by -JKR-; 05-20-2013 at 01:36 PM. |
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In any case, the Marvel films all tend to lend themselves to cheap shots pretty easily, but all of that nonsense is provably untrue at one level or another. We've all heard(and made) the same jabs before, with the two most commong being 'it's for kids!' & 'it's a campy, cheesy comedy!' Already touched on the former, but a couple of things regarding the latter. First of all, I notice that it's becoming more common for people to dismiss any and all humor that they simply don't enjoy as being camp or cheese. That's foolishness. Camp, when done well(like all things), is hysterically funny. I have to wonder if these folks who dismiss camp have ever seen films from the Bill & Ted, Porky's, Police Academy, or...Evil Dead franchises. That being said, humor you don't like isn't necessarily camp. Call it bad, call it lame, call it boring, but don't call it camp if that's not what it is. My last point is heavy on generalization, so bear with me(or not) Seriousness and 'maturity' are another one of the criticisms I see getting tossed around as of late, and it suggests to me that people are beginning to fall in love with the tone of certain movies more than subject matter itself. I won't bother to list them; I'm not looking to open up that can of worms, but far too many light-hearted, humorous, or 'feel-good' films have a certain prejudice levied against them, as if they are in a class below movies filled with angst, bleak moods, pathos, and dire circumstances. When I think of a movie like Bridesmaids, IMO it's a very clever, well written and intelligent comedy that's throughly entertaining...but even with the positive reception, I don't see it being revered as a great film in the long run due to this very prejudice. A far cry from a CBM, but just an example. /rant Last edited by Visualiza; 05-20-2013 at 11:19 PM. |
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I wouldn't say Avengers was a film just for kids. Only that it was a far inferior film to TDKR
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And that's a perfectly fair thing to say; at the end of the day it's all a matter of preference. I just think that when people start trying to poison the well, that's when their reasoning seems contrived.
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Superman will not be a success again.
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Man of Steel looks like a good movie. I hope it is as good as it seems to be. |
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What if Man of Steel became something other than what society intended? What if Man of Steel aspired to something greater and achieved that goal?
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Marvel vs DC debate is fine guys, but do so without provoking the other posters. You can debate without insulting people. Please keep conduct this thread in a civil manner. Thank you.
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Rating MCU films: Iron Man - 4/5, The Incredible Hulk - 4/5, Iron Man 2 - 3/5, Thor - 4/5, Captain America: The First Avenger - 5/5, The Avengers - 5/5, Iron Man 3 - 3.5/5, Thor: The Dark World - 3.5/5, Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 5/5, Guardians of the Galaxy - 4.5/5, Avengers: Age of Ultron - 4.5/5, Ant-Man - 4/5, Captain America: Civil War - 5/5, Dr. Strange - 4/5, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - 5/5, Spider-Man: Homecoming - 5/5, Thor: Ragnarok - 5/5, Black Panther - 5/5 Spider-Man 3 is a good movie. Yes. I said it RIP Vartha :csad: |
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If being a movie that entertains kids is automatically of less importance and standing, then you might as well discredit Steven Spielberg's 70's and 80's work. But thankfully almost all of us see the fallacious logic in that perception. Making a movie that is accessible to kids takes as much as craft as making 'adult' movies. Nor is 'art' diminished by making kiddie movies. Pixar being the ultimate example. "The Incredibles", a so called "kid's movie" is better than 99% live action comic book movies ever made.
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EDIT: Removing this in case it's qualifying as provoking. Not my intentions.
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Once again, I can't believe I need to post this a second time. No provoking the other posters means NO PROVOKING THE OTHER POSTERS!!!!! I am now handing out awards. Next time I hand out time off. Thank you.
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Rating MCU films: Iron Man - 4/5, The Incredible Hulk - 4/5, Iron Man 2 - 3/5, Thor - 4/5, Captain America: The First Avenger - 5/5, The Avengers - 5/5, Iron Man 3 - 3.5/5, Thor: The Dark World - 3.5/5, Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 5/5, Guardians of the Galaxy - 4.5/5, Avengers: Age of Ultron - 4.5/5, Ant-Man - 4/5, Captain America: Civil War - 5/5, Dr. Strange - 4/5, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - 5/5, Spider-Man: Homecoming - 5/5, Thor: Ragnarok - 5/5, Black Panther - 5/5 Spider-Man 3 is a good movie. Yes. I said it RIP Vartha :csad: |
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I wouldnt exactly brag about Avengers 'beating' TDKR, considering the circumstances.
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These threads.....so intellectually stimulating.....
My daddy can beat up your daddy. No...my daddy can beat up your daddy. Your daddy is a big doo doo head. No....your daddy is a big doo doo head. Your daddy is a stinky skunk. No....your daddy is a stinky skunk.
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......but I'll still go see it at midnight since I'm weak. ![]() But, yeah, to each their own on that. |
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That really is what it sounds like sometimes.
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Let's be honest, if someone's daddy was Superman...he could actually beat up someone else's daddy, lol.
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Also, I don't think it is fair to count and criticize the Nolan films as a thing of the past just because they will presumably not be in the shared universe. The thing is that the "heart" or "spirit" or "legacy" of the Nolan films or whatever you wanna call it will live on with the shared universe. I explain in further detail what I mean by this over here: http://forums.superherohype.com/show...&postcount=246 |
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I sorta blame Marvel Studios with the idea that the product should all be in an expanded universe simply because I am in the biased view that believes a hero doesn't need to be part of an universe when they have a rogue gallery large enough that the respective superhero can be on his own. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man can be on their own and should be.
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They don't need to be in a shared universe but it is a nice bonus
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