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And he wasn't awarded a happy ending for nothing. He returned, finally gave Gotham the "face" that inspired hope and a symbol that is everlasting even if Bruce Wayne is no longer Batman. The definitely warrants a happy ending. And one last thing...look at The Dark Knight when saying how Batman doesn't take the easy route. He sacrificed, literally, his own life as Batman to keep Dent's name clean. That's a sacrifice Batman will do, so I still don't see how unreal Nolan's Batman is. I don't think you do either to be perfectly honest. Quote:
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Blue lightning... Seriously
Wicked.. Wicked RAD post Well done, respec' And I might I add... Anyone nitpicking about TDkR without paying proper attention should read that post... There endeth the lesson. |
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I'd also add that Bruce was not only paralyzed by his inability to be Batman, and the failure of his energy project, but also by not letting himself find love, as he made Rachel his 'one chance for a normal life'. He had no purpose in any aspect of his life, thus leading him to become a recluse, waiting for things to wrong again, to give him a sense of purpose.
(and note that all 3 aspects that shut Bruce down are based on lies. The lie of Harvey Dent, the lie that his energy project failed, and the lie that Rachel chose Bruce) By the end, the truth had surfaced, painful as it was, but necessary, and Bruce was able to give the city its true symbol of hope and bring it out of apathy (and a protector in case things go wrong again), he succeed in "Bruce Wayne's" philanthropic efforts with the boys' home, and was able to let himself find love again (first with Miranda, and then with Selina, when Talia lay a bombshell on him that could have had him regress, had it not been the quick arrival and reminder of others like Selina). Last edited by FeedOnATreeFrog; 01-25-2013 at 04:04 PM. |
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Really sounds like a horrible, shallow and boring portrayal of Bruce Wayne.
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Well Alfred's (and Fox's) efforts to have Bruce find love (be it with Miranda, Selina, or a Chimpanzee) suggest that it was the thing that could have brought him out of his depression. (seeing as his philanthropic efforts failed and that he wouldn't let himself put on the cowl)
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Doesn't sound horrible, shallow or boring. Bruce has no actual family and the only woman he claimed to have loved is dead. Having nothing is not a bad portrayal because he does have nothing and especially in the moment of TDKR where he has even more of nothing.
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I'm saying if Bruce was Batman and never retired he would have been able to know there was something suspicious about Tate and her intentions?
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Well, Bruce Wayne was never a people's person. Not in the traditional sense at least. With all the facade that he made as a "playboy millionaire" I don't think he would open to more established relationships in a broad sense. On the films he states "I don't have the luxury of friends."
The way I think of Rachel is that she represented an ideal of moving on. Even though Rachel clearly didn't feel the same way. That's where most criticism for the relationship is found in TDK. The truth is, there wasn't a romantic relationship. Bruce wanted it to be, but Rachel whereas Rachel toyed with the idea once, she found in Harvey what she thought Bruce could never give to her. But more importantly, they were still friends. They were close, and he lost her arguably because of his actions. Besides, I see it more of a nod to The Dark Knight Returns, where Alfred continuously teases Bruce about his personal life. In my opinion it was better done on Rises. But as stated before, there are multiple factors at play here. It's more that the sum of all the parts.
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Bruce is a very rigid guy who never lets go of anything. His father's dying words were to not be afraid, and he obviously to that straight to heart. He was still holding onto and honoring the idea that he'd have a normal life with Rachel if Gotham ever didn't need Batman. So when Gotham finally doesn't need Batman, but his "after Batman" plans are no longer an option, Bruce falls into this limbo where he kind of ceases to exist without a purpose. Things didn't go according to his grand plan, and he's too stubborn and broken to find happiness. He lost the will to live. I think it's beautifully tragic, which makes it all the more inspirational that Bruce is able to overcome all of that. Quote:
He really ascended from darkness into light in this movie, in every way. Last edited by BatLobsterRises; 01-25-2013 at 08:50 PM. |
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Because being Batman all of a sudden made Bruce smarter?
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If you don't think being batman made him smarter there is nothing else to discuss
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So you can't give me a reply. Predictable.
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Wow! Back from the depths. :-)
I'm glad you liked it.
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There is NO way the events of Begins from where Bruce returns to Gotham and becomes Batman, and when he fights Ra's is 2 years. It sounds ridiculous, I can believe from when he returns from Asia to Gotham, and the end of the film, is a few months (5+ I'd say). And with regards to little Jimmy, I always thought he had 2 or more? children, and Jimmy was not the baby in Begins. You really think the Joker could be at large for 3 years before Batman ever came into contact with him? (Given the scene where Gordon tells Batman about it, and the first meeting at Bruce's penthouse). It was probably more than 8 months like others have said. Even the Joker says in TDK "Let's wind the clocks back a year. These cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened? Did your balls drop off? Hmm? You see, a guy like me...". So Batman was probably at work for a around a year after Begins, bringing the mob down. The events of DKR are supposed to be in 2014? Or something. Which gives: 2014 DKR 2006 Last confirmed sighting of the Batman after Dent's murder 2005 Batman first appearance, Bruce becomes 30 2004(or early 2005) Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham 1997 Joe Chill's murder, Wayne travels and trains with the League (22 years old) 1985 (Presuming he is 10 by the time his parents are killed) 1975 Wayne is born Or if you go by the other theory that because TDK and Begins are ~2007-8, then DKR is 2016, and that would mean Bruce was born in 1977. Last edited by TheXtremisT; 05-23-2013 at 02:09 PM. |
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Well Bruce was only Batman for like a year and a half before disappearing for 8 years. BB was year 1 and DK took place the following year. I know seemed longer but he really wasn't Batman for that long and his body was that damaged by the events of Rises is weird. I know his knee got injured by the fall in DK, which they really should have mentioned IN RISES..... Some people were asking about that when I left rises for the first time in theaters and people had to piece it together or have others explain it.
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