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Old 05-18-2013, 04:43 PM   #651
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I've been saying this for years.

I call his performance "Jack Nicholson as Jack Nicholson as The Joker".

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Old 05-26-2013, 10:59 PM   #652
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I've been saying this for years.

I call his performance "Jack Nicholson as Jack Nicholson as The Joker".
In other words, he nailed it. Just like Michael Caine was Michael Caine as Alfred and was a great choice.

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Nope. Jack didn't nail it in my eyes.

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Old 05-27-2013, 12:08 AM   #654
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Nope. Jack didn't nail it in my eyes.
What about Caine?

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Old 05-27-2013, 09:35 AM   #655
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Jack nailed it as much as any other actor. Romero nailed the early 60's goofy Joker, Jack nailed the murderous funnyman, Ledger nailed the complete psychopath. Take your pick which one you prefer.

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Old 07-04-2013, 12:34 PM   #656
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I'm read joker for long long time and when I picture joker the voice I hear in my head is hamill when I see joker I see 'the killing joke' and 'the return of the joker' (B:tas feature film)

THAT to me is joker. so who tells esoteric jokes (only he unders the punchline) he is dark witty charming and deadly.

Nicholson gave a good performance but I don't think his character had depth I was think good 'Nicholson performance' rather than 'THAT's joker' you know the scene where batman/bale interrogates the dirty cop THAT was batman to a tee, bale NAILED it right there and then.

so basically Nicholson gets a 'A' for effort but doesn't quite 'get' the joker. here's hoping nolan reads the killing joke and watches the return of the joker the quintessential joke stories and ledger gives the performance of his career.

anyone else agree?

I agree Hamill's voice and personality is the definitive Joker to me. I know I'm going to get flamed her but both Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers don't hold a candle to him IMO. To me TAS Joker nailed it in writing , personality and the voice spot on.


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Old 07-04-2013, 12:44 PM   #657
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Each person's Joker fits the respective take on Batman. I like what Hamill said here:

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Old 07-04-2013, 01:24 PM   #658
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. That's why Batman takes the blame for Dent's crimes. "The Joker cannot win".

Again obvious and you missed it.
But the Joker did win by getting the living breathing continuing to act incorruptible symbol to ruin his value as a symbol for a dead and gone martyr.

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But the Joker did win by getting the living breathing continuing to act incorruptible symbol to ruin his value as a symbol for a dead and gone martyr.
That's not what Joker was after. He wanted to crush Gotham's soul. Batman prevented that. Hence why he did not win. So how can he have won if he didn't get what he was after?

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I like both Nicholson and Ledger take on the character, but I can't stop thinking what Pacino could have done in his prime days. The guy just strikes me as the early 40's Joker. His eyes, his smile, the hair and the thin face are exactly how I envision an ideal Joker.
Shame he didn't got to portray him in the big screen.



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Kinda off topic but googling pictures I was reminded how many lame portrayals of the Joker exist both in comics and in films or in cosplay costumes. Like, I don't get this obsession with people dressing up like Joker and making him look ridiculous, not scary at all and yes in many cases like a cross dresser-transgender wannabe.

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And yes I hate the Arkham games look also. I just prefer his first appearance where he was a badass gangster type of mastermind, capable of a dirty physical fight with the Batman, over the exaggerated cartoonish depictions being scrawny and all that. Ugh, not to mention the ugly deformed depictions like Morrison's leatherface look.



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Old 08-01-2013, 08:13 AM   #661
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I hate Jim Lee's Joker but i really do not get what you mean with transgender/crossdresser wannabe. That, along with sadomasochism have always been arround the Joker. It has been well-established that he reinvents himself, he is not only 1 person but multiple with the same basic characteristics, of a clown. Clowns originate from the Ancient Greeks and the rites of Dionysus where sexuality and transgenderism was something pretty common, especially in festivals and in theatre. So taking from that and from the fact that Joker is basicaly everything that exists, character wise we have come to todays joker.

Writers have taken these elements and incorporated them into the Joker.
Grant Morrison treats joker like an entity and batmans polar opposite. He is not only a villain but also an omen of things to come. I see nothing bad about a writer expressing his own take on a character. Also that's not entirely the writer but also the artist has a say in how tha characters is pictured.

Personaly i would be really bored with just the gangster-joker.

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Btw : The Cosplayer did an amazing job !

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I hate Jim Lee's Joker but i really do not get what you mean with transgender/crossdresser wannabe. That, along with sadomasochism have always been arround the Joker. It has been well-established that he reinvents himself, he is not only 1 person but multiple with the same basic characteristics, of a clown. Clowns originate from the Ancient Greeks and the rites of Dionysus where sexuality and transgenderism was something pretty common, especially in festivals and in theatre. So taking from that and from the fact that Joker is basicaly everything that exists, character wise we have come to todays joker.

Writers have taken these elements and incorporated them into the Joker.
Grant Morrison treats joker like an entity and batmans polar opposite. He is not only a villain but also an omen of things to come. I see nothing bad about a writer expressing his own take on a character. Also that's not entirely the writer but also the artist has a say in how tha characters is pictured.

Personaly i would be really bored with just the gangster-joker.
What I meant was that when I see some guys dressed up in a Joker costume they are not menacing at all and the way they put that make up and the lipstick on them with the forced frozen smile on their face is so wrong to my eyes that no matter how faithful they are to the comics version, they are looking more like a guy who just wishes or pretends to be a woman unfortunately though.

I know there have been transgender undertones in most of his versions with all that Joker reinventing himself, but it is not my cup of tea anyways. Uh, still the Morrison Leatherface version is taking it to the extreme.

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Btw : The Cosplayer did an amazing job !
Not to offense that guy of course and he did a great job coming up with that costume by himself, but just imagine Ledger's Joker or those Pacino photos next to that cosplay Joker. Who would strike you as more threatening and frightening?

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The Joker is like that, he's a narcisist, cares about looking vintage. You look at him and you're not sure what he's really thinking.

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Plenty of male-led action films fail, yet the actors' gender is not blamed. Why should it be different for women? Especially since far more male-led action films are made than female-led action films?
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:05 AM   #665
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To me, the Arkham video game Joker is the perfect mix of the cartoon/comic Joker and the "realistic" Nolan Joker

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The Joker is like that, he's a narcisist, cares about looking vintage. You look at him and you're not sure what he's really thinking.
Well that is what he has become over the years, not what his original depiction was intended to be. And that's exactly what i dislike about him for the reasons I explained.

By the way I saw this fan film and I have to say it is very well done and the Joker actor seems very deep in the role. I even nearly cried at the events leading to his transformation in the film. But I am not sure if it is proper to take him through such a great deal of pain and loss. Then it is inevitable you re gonna feel sorry for him and understand his actions.

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This is what inspired the Joker




It's who the joker is, i've read golden age Batman and i know how he used to be, and he's not that different. Characters that have so many years of existence have different versions depending on the writers at the time, which often leads one to say a certain version is the true one instead of the other.

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