The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Star Wars > Star Wars: Episode VII

View Poll Results: Practical or CGI
All Practical (Matte Painting + Practical Characters) 3 3.66%
Matte Painting Background + CGI Character 1 1.22%
Both (Matte Paintings Rendered in a Composite + Practical Characters with CG Enhancements) 70 85.37%
Digital Composite Background + Practical Character 5 6.10%
All CGI (Digital Composite Background + CGI Characters) 3 3.66%
Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-29-2013, 02:53 PM   #151
the dmg
The Funky Homosapien
 
the dmg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Returning some video tapes...
Posts: 4,791
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

I'm pretty much in the boat that CGI should compliment practical.

__________________
the DOG, the MAN, the GOD
the dmg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2013, 06:51 AM   #152
BlackFox
Almost ninja
 
BlackFox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: out of sight
Posts: 4,192
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Both, its the best way to go.

__________________
THE DARK KNIGHT


(X-Men-Apocalypse:Brace yourselves, WAR is coming)
BlackFox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 02:19 PM   #153
Fives
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 602
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

I think it should be a bit of both. They should build, film, and do as much as they can practically, and then use cgi to enhance the practical parts that need it.

Fives is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2013, 07:24 AM   #154
RetrogradeOrbit
My own Dark Passenger
 
RetrogradeOrbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: In my head, listening to its voice...
Posts: 2,616
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

^^^
This. Many times over...

__________________
"Carpe Diem"

I got thrown out of a window! What's the f***ing charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking?

My father gave me one piece of advice. He said "Always. .." No, he said "Never..." well actually he gave me two pieces of advice, I've forgotten the other one. But the important one is, "Never chase a man over a cliff".
RetrogradeOrbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2013, 11:38 AM   #155
Loki882
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,360
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

CGI isn't bad in an of itself, its BAD GGI that's really noticeable. JJ usually mixes practical effects with CGI rather well, so I'm confident that Episode VII will looked good at least, unlike the PT.

Loki882 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2013, 10:37 PM   #156
titansupes
Side-Kick
 
titansupes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,898
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I heard that the Abram's Trek movies were the first to use all CG for the Enterprise and other ships, no models.

Ironic, considering the model talk coming from ILM.

__________________
I NEVER WANTED YOU TO COME BACK TO GOTHAM.

titansupes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2013, 05:16 PM   #157
Loki882
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,360
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

I'm not sure, I'd have to check. But Abrams does tend to mix both techniques. And if the Enterprise was all CGI, then it was REALLY GOOD CGI.

Loki882 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2013, 05:30 PM   #158
jonathancrane
I love Marvel, DC & EC!
 
jonathancrane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Caverns in Arkham Island
Posts: 6,815
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

A mixture of both techniques would be fine, along with some location shooting. I do not want to see another completely CGI world. After having to sit through three different vomit-fests of it, I am done with CGI worlds.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Aaron
"I've known since I first took over the series that I wanted to eventually have someone else pick up the hammer," says the writer. "It's kind of a time-honored Thor tradition at this point, isn't it? Going back to the days of Beta Ray Bill."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Johns
ďAt DC, we really see film and TV as separate worlds."
jonathancrane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 12:17 PM   #159
Asteroid-Man
Ham Sammiches
 
Asteroid-Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 17,421
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Nice to see a practical alien in that set video!!

__________________
Basi ranj bordam dar in saale si,
Ajam zende kardam bedin Parsi;
Namiram az in pas keh man zende'am,
Ke tokhme sokhan ra parakandeam.
Posting Since 09/24/05 10:30 am
Asteroid-Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 12:21 PM   #160
Lord
All Mighty
 
Lord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,906
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by childeroland View Post
Plenty of male-led action films fail, yet the actors' gender is not blamed. Why should it be different for women? Especially since far more male-led action films are made than female-led action films?
Lord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 12:27 PM   #161
The Endless
WE are Groot
 
The Endless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,620
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Ha! That's a great video.

I think CGI should compliment practical. For example i'm a huge fan of real, practical sets. No matter how outlandish. But if CGI can be used in a way to help immerse us in the world of the movie? Why not.

I hate when it's used lazily. There is nothing worse than a "set" that is clearly 100% CGI. There is simply no depth, it's isn't visceral, it isn't tangible.

I'm looking at the Star Wars prequels and Green Lantern.

I'm also a fan of "in camera" tricks. They can still be used really effectively today. CGI is sometimes used as a crutch for lazy and unimaginative film makers.

__________________
People think dreams aren't real just because they aren't made of matter, of particles. Dreams are real. But they are made of viewpoints, of images, of memories and puns and lost hopes
The Endless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 07:38 PM   #162
vanson
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 902
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

to be honest I cant tell if that creature is real or not or maybe a hybrid...

and to overanalyse that bit ( as one would who lurks around here) , JJ is turning pretty far to his left, as if he would more look to a mark then the actual thing.. but I dunno.. either way its good that its not clearly cgi

vanson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2014, 04:34 AM   #163
Marvolo
Side-Kick
 
Marvolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,909
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord View Post
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
That's awesome! I love that alien. Thts the kind of makeup and animatronic work that I like to see in sci-fi.

__________________
The Most Astounding Fact (Neil deGrasse Tyson, HD):
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson: A Fascinatingly Disturbing Thought
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
Marvolo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2014, 08:51 PM   #164
Octoberist
point blank
 
Octoberist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: California
Posts: 38,517
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanson View Post
to be honest I cant tell if that creature is real or not or maybe a hybrid...

and to overanalyse that bit ( as one would who lurks around here) , JJ is turning pretty far to his left, as if he would more look to a mark then the actual thing.. but I dunno.. either way its good that its not clearly cgi
I mean, they probably shot that video in mere minutes, they're not gonna CG a promo video for charity. It's all practical!!

__________________
PAUL RUDD IS IMMORTAL!
Octoberist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2014, 09:08 PM   #165
Whiskey Tango
Side-Kick
 
Whiskey Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The South
Posts: 19,315
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

You use what is needed for each individual situation. How is this even a question?

__________________
Our life in this world...
to what shall I compare it?
It is like an echo
resounding through the mountains
and off into the empty sky.
- Ryōkan

2007-2008 SHH Pro Football Pick 'Em Champion
Whiskey Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 03:14 AM   #166
Asteroid-Man
Ham Sammiches
 
Asteroid-Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 17,421
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango View Post
You use what is needed for each individual situation. How is this even a question?
Because the Prequels used almost no practical effects whatsoever. Your answer seems logical, but this is also an ILM movie.

__________________
Basi ranj bordam dar in saale si,
Ajam zende kardam bedin Parsi;
Namiram az in pas keh man zende'am,
Ke tokhme sokhan ra parakandeam.
Posting Since 09/24/05 10:30 am
Asteroid-Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 11:06 AM   #167
Octoberist
point blank
 
Octoberist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: California
Posts: 38,517
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

That's entirely true because they did use background models for some of the sets, though, everything ended up looking stoic and digital anyway that it didn't stick out.

__________________
PAUL RUDD IS IMMORTAL!
Octoberist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 11:34 AM   #168
Whiskey Tango
Side-Kick
 
Whiskey Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The South
Posts: 19,315
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asteroid-Man View Post
Because the Prequels used almost no practical effects whatsoever. Your answer seems logical, but this is also an ILM movie.
Yeah but VII isn't being helmed by Neckbeard McFlannel, who is the entire reason the prequels are largely ass-sandwiches in the first place.

__________________
Our life in this world...
to what shall I compare it?
It is like an echo
resounding through the mountains
and off into the empty sky.
- Ryōkan

2007-2008 SHH Pro Football Pick 'Em Champion
Whiskey Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 11:38 AM   #169
Octoberist
point blank
 
Octoberist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: California
Posts: 38,517
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

To be fair, Lucas looked badass and handsome when he was young, with the beard, flannel, and the no smiling policy.

__________________
PAUL RUDD IS IMMORTAL!
Octoberist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 11:59 AM   #170
Asteroid-Man
Ham Sammiches
 
Asteroid-Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 17,421
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango View Post
Yeah but VII isn't being helmed by Neckbeard McFlannel, who is the entire reason the prequels are largely ass-sandwiches in the first place.
You're pegging this conversation as absolutist is quite ironic. We made this thread before Abrams came on to helm. All we knew back then was that Disney was leaving it up to Lucasfilm and Kennedy was producing again (care to take a wager at the last one's she produced?).

Now it's more a place to talk about a variety of specific occurances - ei, should we have cgi sabres that might make for better action sequences (lighter) or practical, with lights that interact with their surroundings (a la Tron Legacy), traditional matte paintings? CGI backgrounds on green screen? Projection system (a la Oblivion)?

__________________
Basi ranj bordam dar in saale si,
Ajam zende kardam bedin Parsi;
Namiram az in pas keh man zende'am,
Ke tokhme sokhan ra parakandeam.
Posting Since 09/24/05 10:30 am
Asteroid-Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 12:33 PM   #171
Whiskey Tango
Side-Kick
 
Whiskey Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The South
Posts: 19,315
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Eh I didn't notice the start date. Whatever.

__________________
Our life in this world...
to what shall I compare it?
It is like an echo
resounding through the mountains
and off into the empty sky.
- Ryōkan

2007-2008 SHH Pro Football Pick 'Em Champion
Whiskey Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 12:36 PM   #172
Octoberist
point blank
 
Octoberist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: California
Posts: 38,517
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

It does help that we have two great production designers, one from Avatar and Jurassic Park, and the other one who did Oblivion and Tron Legacy (as mentioned)

__________________
PAUL RUDD IS IMMORTAL!
Octoberist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 08:20 PM   #173
DKDetective
"He'll be a god to them."
 
DKDetective's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,140
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

As good as the CGI looks in the reboot Trek films, and even I will admit that, I personally think it doesn't come close to the best model work in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I find it astonishing that 30+ years later, some of those effects are unparalleled. (And I say some, because I will admit that not all of the shots have aged perfectly. For some, the compositing looks funny and so on.) If ILM is actually going to bring back some model work for this film, I will jump with joy.

__________________
Avatar by Kane52630
DKDetective is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2014, 12:48 AM   #174
Asteroid-Man
Ham Sammiches
 
Asteroid-Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 17,421
Default Re: Practical Effects VS CGI

Quote:
Originally Posted by Octoberist View Post
It does help that we have two great production designers, one from Avatar and Jurassic Park, and the other one who did Oblivion and Tron Legacy (as mentioned)
Wait what!? SERIOUSLY!? YES!!!!!!!! I hope we get the projection backdrops a la Oblivion vs green screen and practical lightsabers now (similar to a lot of the props from Tron)!

__________________
Basi ranj bordam dar in saale si,
Ajam zende kardam bedin Parsi;
Namiram az in pas keh man zende'am,
Ke tokhme sokhan ra parakandeam.
Posting Since 09/24/05 10:30 am
Asteroid-Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:26 PM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.