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Old 06-03-2013, 02:40 AM   #126
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I'm not sure that cue would have fit the Joker card ending. It's so sweeping and emotional, it's almost begging for a big montage like in TDK/TDKR. I think the understated approach worked for Begins, cause it's like the day has already been won but there's this feeling of it merely being the calm before the storm creeping in.

I know Nolan is against "sequel bait" in principle, but that Joker card reveal was probably the best sequel teaser ever done in a film, lol. I don't think there was a single Batman fan not DYING to see the next film immediately after that one. It almost hurt knowing that we'd have to wait.

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Old 06-03-2013, 02:51 AM   #127
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I don't know, I think it could work. If the score started as soon as we see Alfred driving Bruce and showing him the newspaper up until the final moment of the card reveal(at the same part of the score as when the platform lifts up underneath Blake in TDKR). Maybe even stop for a bit during the end Bruce/Rachel scene and then pick up again.

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Heh, maybe there's a fan edit out there somewhere and then we can know for sure.

Either way I do really enjoy the "Corynorhinus" cue, always been one of my favorite tracks from the BB score.

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Old 06-03-2013, 03:44 AM   #129
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I think it's rating on IMDB should be like all the reviews of these films, it should be averaged out between the critics score and fan score.

So TDK Rises from critics 87%
TDK Rises from fans 92%

TDK Rises accumulative: 9 / 10

And I would say that's pretty fair. I actually think this film has gotten better with time. I initially had a lot of problems with it on first viewing, I feel like it gets better with time. The problems I had have evaporated, and I have a greater appreciation for it now.

Conversely in comparison I enjoyed the Avengers better on first viewing. It is after all a comedy, and many of the jokes that work and CARRY the film on first viewing, I don't have the same reaction on repeat viewings with time. That film was carried by the fans, the comedy, and the sheer uniqueness of combining all the heroes. The plot, characters, character development, subtext doesn't get better with age the way TDK Rises does with it's multiple layers.

TDK from critics 94%
TDK from fans 96%

TDK accumulative: 9.5 / 10

Another very fair rating. I personally would go 10/10 but that's me. It was a generation / cultural defining blockbuster, that's shock wave ripped through the industry and it's presence is still being felt strongly in Hollywood 6 years later. Look at all the movies with the word "dark" in their title for christ sakes.

Batman Begins from critics 85%
Batman Begins from fans 90%

Batman Begins accumulative: 8.8 / 10

Once again, another fitting rating all things considering. Batman Begins was a Hollywood game changer. The film that started the reboot craze, revamping previously failed franchise attempts. And truly the first film to take the "comic book" material on film more seriously. There was shades of it with the original Blade, Ang Lee's HULK was too serious and melodramatic, this hit the right note of gritty realism, seriousness, intelligence, while also combining an operatic and theatrical sensibility.

Overall TDK trilogy is about a 9 / 10 given their ratings, and I'd say that's very accurate.

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:32 AM   #130
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Those RT ratings are really tricky. I understand they take a "good" point for every "red tomato" review. Many times, if you read the actual review, they're not very flattering but good enough to be considered a "red."

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a movie that scores 100% on RT can still have an average rating of 6/10.

The average rating of Avengers on RT is only 8/10; so is TDKR. TDK is 8.5.

Avengers' metacritic score is 69%, while TDKR is 78%, and TDK is 82%.

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I know Nolan is against "sequel bait" in principle, but that Joker card reveal was probably the best sequel teaser ever done in a film, lol. I don't think there was a single Batman fan not DYING to see the next film immediately after that one. It almost hurt knowing that we'd have to wait.
Best cliffhanger ever IMHO. Everything about that scene is perfect. They put the cherry on top of the Joker card with the "I never said thank you" and "you'll never have to." BOOM. Perfect ending.

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Heh, maybe there's a fan edit out there somewhere and then we can know for sure.

Either way I do really enjoy the "Corynorhinus" cue, always been one of my favorite tracks from the BB score.
Heh, same here.

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Best cliffhanger ever IMHO. Everything about that scene is perfect. They put the cherry on top of the Joker card with the "I never said thank you" and "you'll never have to." BOOM. Perfect ending.
Fully agreed.

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Best cliffhanger ever IMHO. Everything about that scene is perfect. They put the cherry on top of the Joker card with the "I never said thank you" and "you'll never have to." BOOM. Perfect ending.
It's just kind of ironic that it's such a great cliffhanger when Nolan insists it wasn't meant to be a cliffhanger at the time but more of a "the world keeps spinning in your head" ala Year One type ending.

But let's get real, there's no way you can drop a hint towards one of the most iconic villains in all of pop culture and not end up with the effect of a massively exciting cliffhanger.

Also, I really love how "you'll never have to" got paid off in such satisfying fashion in TDKR when Bruce reveals that Gordon was his hero first.

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It's just kind of ironic that it's such a great cliffhanger when Nolan insists it wasn't meant to be a cliffhanger at the time but more of a "the world keeps spinning in your head" ala Year One type ending.
I know that he said that, but I don't believe him for a second there.

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I don't see how it's a cliffhanger. I just see it as the logical ending for the movie; The arrival of the Joker signifies that he has truly become Batman. If they never made another movie, no one would be asking "but what about that Joker card? they left unanswered questions!".

But it does act as a tease nonetheless.

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I know that he said that, but I don't believe him for a second there.
I agree. Nolan acts like we didn't know, and that Goyer and himself admittedly in interviews leading up to the release of Batman Begins didn't admit they had loose ideas for sequels.

Now, it does serve as an end to the story like Year One where a great movie or concept will play on in your head.

And it is also used to symbolize that Batman has officially arrived with the rise of the Joker and the freak villians of Gotham.

It's not a literal cliffhanger ending though, but it does make the audience salivate at the possible sequel. Which BEGINS ending capitalized on, and the sequel delivered on. It was an excellent ending, and the ideal formula for future superhero franchises.

1st movie, establish hero and motivations ... 2nd movie, bring in his main antagonist.

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We know they had ideas for sequels, which turned into only one sequel, but TDKR was still up in the air on if Nolan was returning or not until about 2009(or 2010).

I think, when it comes to BB, Nolan is only being coy. But when it came to a threequel, Nolan was being honest. Most directors have to take time out and think about if they want to return for a third film, let alone a sequel. But that also doesn't mean that they couldn't have at least some ideas on a third film, but it wasn't just concrete that a third film would be made. Luckily, they had threads they were able to tie into a third film and bring some closure with a trilogy.

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We already had a start of some kind of rise with Scarecrow being used, so I never bought the idea that Nolan wanted to start the "rise" in TDK.

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I think it's fair to say Nolan was being coy. I think it was more about not wanting to assume that the movie would be successful and that people would want to see a sequel. Not wanting to jinx it, etc.

I once saw this interview with Michael Caine back in 08 (which I've never been able to find since) where he tells an anecdote about how he asked Nolan on the set of BB what the next film would be like. According to Caine, Nolan told him without missing a beat, "Darker. Much darker."

I swear on it 100%, but sadly that interview has slipped through the cracks of the interwebs. I'd have no idea how to search for it at this point.

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I think it's fair to say Nolan was being coy. I think it was more about not wanting to assume that the movie would be successful and that people would want to see a sequel. Not wanting to jinx it, etc.

I once saw this interview with Michael Caine back in 08 (which I've never been able to find since) where he tells an anecdote about how he asked Nolan on the set of BB what the next film would be like. According to Caine, Nolan told him without missing a beat, "Darker. Much darker."

I swear on it 100%, but sadly that interview has slipped through the cracks of the interwebs. I'd have no idea how to search for it at this point.
lol, I believe it. That's pretty much what we got with TDK. A much more engrossing and intense film. BB set 'em up and the TDK knocked 'em down.

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I bet Nolan found the video and deleted it while cursing Caine's name towards the heavens, lol.

Hahaha, what if someone asked him how a third film would be and Nolan's reply was "Somber. Much more somber"

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I bet Nolan found the video and deleted it while cursing Caine's name towards the heavens, lol.

Hahaha, what if someone asked him how a third film would be and Nolan's reply was "Somber. Much more somber"
Lol, I heard Caine has already leaked some info about his Interstellar character.

And I think Nolan would've said "Epic. Much more epic."

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We know they had ideas for sequels, which turned into only one sequel
Agreed. The original loose ideas thrown around by Goyer and Nolan was for a Joker film, then a subsequent sequel where Dent is burned and turns into Two Face during "the trial of the Joker". I remember reading the interview with the two about this very specifically, possibly Empire magazine?

Anyway, they ended up as you said just condensing it into one film, The Dark Knight, which IMO works better. And also makes the overall trilogy less contrived than say pre-planned out sequels with hints dropped in about future films, ala Marvel Studios. Nolan and co. really threw everything they had into the film they were making at the present time.

It makes the whole Nolan Batman franchise and trilogy really organic from a story and character standpoint. I know for sure that there was never any solid plans for a 3rd film after the condensed version of TDK, and that TDK Rises story hadn't been hatched until late 2010. Prior to that, Nolan was debating on whether there was a even a story to tell, or a reason to come back again without things being stale.

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We already had a start of some kind of rise with Scarecrow being used, so I never bought the idea that Nolan wanted to start the "rise" in TDK.
Not really, he fully intends for the escalation of theatrical crime in the sequel to BEGINS. It's stated in dialogue for christ sakes. He's Dr. Crane for much of the Batman Begins film. He goes nuts in the 3rd act. Prior to that point, even though he experiments on the inmates of his nut house, he has very sane motivations of wanting to get paid. Holding the city for ransom.

By the start of TDK, it seems like he's deliberately selling his tainted drugs not for money purposes, but to freak people out and make them go crazy. Kind of like a Nolan / comic book movie version of a bath salts supplier. Even the mob is obviously upset with his crazy psychedelics. He isn't totally theatrical either, it seems he uses the scarecrow mask to just hide his identity.

It isn't until the Joker that we get a true villain for Batman who uses complete theatrics like himself, who fights for the sake of it. And doesn't have a true end to his means. Thus the rise of the freaks. The Joker even destroys the mob on his own, through his manipulations. Just like in The Long Halloween.


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I dont need to update the rating for The Dark Knight Rises because it was perfect when I watched it and will remain perfect.

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Anyone saying this movie is perfect is deullsional or an extreme Nolanite. Its nowhere near a 10/10 movie......... its more like a 7.5 MAYBE an 8 max. Its not a movie you will want pop in and watch over and over again. I saw it twice in theaters and twice when I bought the batcowl edition blu ray in December and haven't watched it since and have no real desire to.

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Anyone saying this movie is perfect is delusional
I would say that about every movie in this genre. Best I've seen are Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Begins. They are both worthy of an 8.5/10, but not any higher.

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Not really, he fully intends for the escalation of theatrical crime in the sequel to BEGINS. It's stated in dialogue for christ sakes. He's Dr. Crane for much of the Batman Begins film. He goes nuts in the 3rd act. Prior to that point, even though he experiments on the inmates of his nut house, he has very sane motivations of wanting to get paid. Holding the city for ransom.

By the start of TDK, it seems like he's deliberately selling his tainted drugs not for money purposes, but to freak people out and make them go crazy. Kind of like a Nolan / comic book movie version of a bath salts supplier. Even the mob is obviously upset with his crazy psychedelics. He isn't totally theatrical either, it seems he uses the scarecrow mask to just hide his identity.

It isn't until the Joker that we get a true villain for Batman who uses complete theatrics like himself, who fights for the sake of it. And doesn't have a true end to his means. Thus the rise of the freaks. The Joker even destroys the mob on his own, through his manipulations. Just like in The Long Halloween.
I don't buy the word of escalation being used for some rise of freaks. I see Dr. Crane/Scarecrow already in the first film and there's the first freak already in Gotham City. When it comes to escalation, I feel that in TDK, and TDKR, it's about the stakes being involved, not an overflowing of freaks especially when Joker's plan of corrupting Gotham is diminished because his "ace"'s secrets are hidden. Many brings up that TDK follows The Long Halloween to a dotted line and is the beginning of a rise of freaks, but I never bought into it. At the end of TDK, all I saw was the mere hope of Joker corrupting a female doctor at Arkham because his plan to corrupt Gotham was stopped.

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Anyone saying this movie is perfect is deullsional or an extreme Nolanite. Its nowhere near a 10/10 movie......... its more like a 7.5 MAYBE an 8 max. Its not a movie you will want pop in and watch over and over again. I saw it twice in theaters and twice when I bought the batcowl edition blu ray in December and haven't watched it since and have no real desire to.
Delusional? No, I would say such, or even someone being an extreme Nolanite. You have some posters that would give The Amazing Spider-Man a 10 out of 10 score even. I think when it comes to perfection in the eye of the beholder, it's the common sense that all CBMs can be flawed, so it's a matter of how the film makes you feel to say it's perfect.

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Anyone saying this movie is perfect is deullsional or an extreme Nolanite. Its nowhere near a 10/10 movie......... its more like a 7.5 MAYBE an 8 max. Its not a movie you will want pop in and watch over and over again. I saw it twice in theaters and twice when I bought the batcowl edition blu ray in December and haven't watched it since and have no real desire to.
Your opinion is valid but don't say those things like it's fact. Especially what I highlighted.

I saw the movie 4 times in the cinema. I've probably watched it 3 times so far on Blu-ray since December. For my tastes, it is ABSOLUTELY a movie I can pop in & watch over and over again.

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I've probably seen TDKR a total of 12 times so far, including the theatres and watching it at home

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I can't even count.

I watched it 7 or 8 times in theatres (before this, the most I watched a single movie in theatres was 3 times), and then almost every night to put me to sleep for a month or so.

That movie sunk its teeth in me hard.

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