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Old 06-03-2013, 08:38 PM   #26
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Right now, Cyclops, Angel, Kurt and Gambit deserve MUCH MORE attention than Jean.
Its not a bad idea to bring back those 4, but if you think about it, they would need a very important reason to bring them back.

With Angel, it would be the easiest, people could just assume that he joined the X-Men after X3 even though he's not in DOFP.

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Old 06-03-2013, 10:01 PM   #27
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Hey guys, LOOOOOOONNNNGGGGG time, no post.

Anyhoot, I think the answer here lies in, believe it or not, the original comic storyline.

Follow me...

So in DOFP, Kitty is sent back to prevent the death of Senator Kelly. But Kelly is dead at the end of X1 due to Magneto's "mutant making" machine. It is also heavily implied that this machine is responsible for setting off the events that led to Jean becoming Phoenix by the end of X2.

Now, keep in mind that Mystique impersonates Kelly throughout X2, but she is cured in X3, thus making Kelly suddenly "disappear" (a smarter creative team would have perhaps explored -- or at least acknowledged -- this in X3, but I digress...). It would stand to reason that between Magneto's various activities and Mystique impersonating a member of the U.S. Senate, Project Wideawake finally gets the green light, setting the stage for the dystopian future in DOFP. So maybe the future X-Men want to stop Magneto from ever building the machine in the first place, thus saving Kelly and, indirectly, Jean, Scott, and Xavier. Perhaps they tie this to Trask somehow by having the technology that enables Magneto to build his machine related to whatever the Sentinels use to identify mutants?

At any rate, given that Superman Returns was a sequel to a 20+ year old movie, I wouldn't put it past Singer to have Kelly's death via Magneto's device in X1 be a major plot point in DOFP (remember that in SR, Superman and Lois have a kid after one night together in Superman II).

So, to answer the original question in the most roundabout way possible, yes, Logan (even if he's not the time traveler himself, his future self has a role in scheming the time travel plot either way) does try to "save" Jean, albeit as an indirect result of saving Kelly from Magneto's machine.


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Old 06-03-2013, 10:59 PM   #28
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I don't want Jean to be in this movie! She's already having a role in this year's Wolverine movie and DOFP is already handling a lot of things. I say give her a break for a while!
No, we need more Jean! Wolverine can't just suddenly forget about her considering she's haunting him in The Wolverine. He LOVES her!

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:40 PM   #29
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I want Jean and Scott back and done RIGHT (no hetero)
An entire generation of people have grown up thinking Cyclops is a whining ***** when I know he's a bad ass and always has been.


I do NOT want Logan being the main focus again, which is why i hope and believe he will die at the hands of a sentinel...like in the books.

Jean is in The Wolverine only as a flashback from what I gather, and thats okay for THAT movie.

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:45 PM   #30
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We have gotten confirmation that Logan aka Wolverine will be the time traveler in X-Men: Day of Future Past.
No, we haven't; all we know is that Hugh Jackman is going to be on-site for the remainder of filming. This could mean any myriad number of things insofar as the plot is concerned.

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Old 06-04-2013, 04:53 AM   #31
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Hey guys, LOOOOOOONNNNGGGGG time, no post.

Anyhoot, I think the answer here lies in, believe it or not, the original comic storyline.

Follow me...

So in DOFP, Kitty is sent back to prevent the death of Senator Kelly. But Kelly is dead at the end of X1 due to Magneto's "mutant making" machine. It is also heavily implied that this machine is responsible for setting off the events that led to Jean becoming Phoenix by the end of X2.

Now, keep in mind that Mystique impersonates Kelly throughout X2, but she is cured in X3, thus making Kelly suddenly "disappear" (a smarter creative team would have perhaps explored -- or at least acknowledged -- this in X3, but I digress...). It would stand to reason that between Magneto's various activities and Mystique impersonating a member of the U.S. Senate, Project Wideawake finally gets the green light, setting the stage for the dystopian future in DOFP. So maybe the future X-Men want to stop Magneto from ever building the machine in the first place, thus saving Kelly and, indirectly, Jean, Scott, and Xavier. Perhaps they tie this to Trask somehow by having the technology that enables Magneto to build his machine related to whatever the Sentinels use to identify mutants?

At any rate, given that Superman Returns was a sequel to a 20+ year old movie, I wouldn't put it past Singer to have Kelly's death via Magneto's device in X1 be a major plot point in DOFP (remember that in SR, Superman and Lois have a kid after one night together in Superman II).

So, to answer the original question in the most roundabout way possible, yes, Logan (even if he's not the time traveler himself, his future self has a role in scheming the time travel plot either way) does try to "save" Jean, albeit as an indirect result of saving Kelly from Magneto's machine.
Nice theory.

But I would be very surprised if Senator Kelly has a big role in this, much less them linking it so explicitly with X-Men 1. It all seems so unnecessarily convoluted. As in, someone time travels to 1973 to intercept Trask, to stop him developing technology, which in turns means Magneto from building a machine, which in turn stops the creation of the sentinels.

You never know though.

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Old 06-04-2013, 09:38 AM   #32
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I don't think it is feasible to tie in to any plot points from the OT. The primary roster doesn't even exist in 1973. They may not even be born. How can Logan warn of things to come of those characters, and actually give those warnings any merit, when the majority of those characters do not even exist, or are babies? It's not like Xavier can predict the future. Names like Jean and Scott would mean nothing to him in 1973. Wolverine could throw a hint or two, "be wary of that little girl you stumble across in about 10-15 years," or something akin, but it can't be a major plot device in this movie.

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Old 06-04-2013, 10:06 AM   #33
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chances are they will tie in things more if there is a 3rd FC movie

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Old 06-04-2013, 12:45 PM   #34
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I don't think there's going to be time for the plot to take that route.

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Old 06-04-2013, 02:13 PM   #35
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How can Logan warn of things to come of those characters, and actually give those warnings any merit, when the majority of those characters do not even exist, or are babies? It's not like Xavier can predict the future. Names like Jean and Scott would mean nothing to him in 1973. Wolverine could throw a hint or two, "be wary of that little girl you stumble across in about 10-15 years," or something akin, but it can't be a major plot device in this movie.
Maybe that won't be the focus of the plot, but I have a hard time believing that if Logan is the time traveler, he wouldn't take this perfect opportunity to save Jean and the others. How many times do you get to go to the past, thereby opening up the possibility of saving the one(s) you love? A young Xavier is enough of a connective tissue for Logan to try and change the past.

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How is Wolverine supposed to do anything in 1973? He would have to take out Magneto or change Lensher's destiny to prevent the war entirely. And they certainly won't kill Magneto off in any corrected timeline. Either that, or Magneto would have to have a complete change of heart, thus completely voiding his actions in the OT. No war, Jean/Scott probably live, and the trilogy is completely retconned. Otherwise, warn Xavier about the dangers of mind blocking Jean, a girl whom he won't meet for another 10-15 years?

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How is Wolverine supposed to do anything in 1973? He would have to take out Magneto or change Lensher's destiny to prevent the war entirely. And they certainly won't kill Magneto off in any corrected timeline. Either that, or Magneto would have to have a complete change of heart, thus completely voiding his actions in the OT. No war, Jean/Scott probably live, and the trilogy is completely retconned. Otherwise, warn Xavier about the dangers of mind blocking Jean, a girl whom he won't meet for another 10-15 years?
Yes, exactly. From a practical standpoint, why wouldn't Logan warn Xavier about the dangers of mind-blocking Jean and encourage him to plan for a different alternative while there is still time? Jean killed a bunch of people. I'm not sure what's so complicated about that... Will they go that direction? Well, that's another matter.

I gathered that old Magneto had a bit of a change of heart at the end of X3. Maybe I'm wrong, but in either case, Magneto is not evil and could realize that "Charles was right" (lol, referencing Bryan's tweet several weeks ago) during DOFP, and somehow young Magneto could learn from the mistakes of old Magneto. This is a time travel story, after all...

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I think Wolverine might try and save Jean if Jean's actions at Alcatraz were responsible for creating the Sentinels. It could be possible cause Cherry pointed out, Jean killed a lot of people. The only person that, according to X3, could kill Jean is Logan, and the rest of the world might not want to depend on mutants to protect them from other mutants so I can see that being the reason for the creation of Sentinels then Logan would have to try and save Jean because saving her saves everyone else.

But quite frankly there are many reasons the future is going to be horrible, so I just see Logan trying to save Jean if Jean is the reason why the future sucks.

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but, if it was the actions of Jeans at Alcatraz that caused the corruption of the timeline, why travel to the 70's?

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I don't think there's going to be time for the plot to take that route.
Yup! At first, people really get excited when they find out when there's a returning character and if there's a lot of new characters but when they see the movie, they will complain about how there are so many characters in the movie. We already have at least 16 actors in this movie, they don't need to scoop in Jean Grey, adding her in this movie would be such a huge weight especially she had an impact in the last film that featured the original cast.

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but, if it was the actions of Jeans at Alcatraz that caused the corruption of the timeline, why travel to the 70's?
Not quite sure about that. Maybe that's when Stryker's kid, Jason/Mesmero? (I can't quite remember) was at Xavier's, and they need to stop him, so Stryker can't use Professor X at Alkali lake to try, so Jean doesn't need to die the first time trying to save everyone and then she wouldn't go crazy at Alcatraz after coming back to life.

There were a whole host of reasons why Alcatraz and Jean killing everyone occurred (the cure, Magneto's machine in X1, the mental blocks from Xavier, dying at Alkali lake), and some of them might have their roots in the 70s so that's what they need to fix.

I'm not advocating that I want Jean to be responsible for the future, but if she was that's why I'd want Logan to try and save her, and here's why I think she could be responsible.

Personally, I want the cure to be the reason for the Sentinels and the future. So for example, it was supposed to cure mutation, but, similar to Hank's "cure" in First Class, it ends up accelerating the powers, and then the government needs to fix the problem of super-super powered mutants, that are upset at being cured against their will. And since there is foundation for a cure in First Class, that could be why they are in the 60s. Plus, if the cure is the focus, Jean's life could still be saved (no cure at Alcatraz, no need for Magneto to go there, no reason for a bunch of soldiers to shoot at Jean to make her want to blow them up, no need for Logan to kill her) but it wouldn't be the purpose of going back.

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Jason, Jean/mind blocking, preventing the war, all good topics to cover in the sequel. Given the linchpin to the Sentinels was 1973, they obviously came up with some plot device that is almost certainly unrelated to anything we witnessed in the OT, outside of the danger room sequence.

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I remember someone suggesting the idea of an antagonist time traveler going back to 73 to try to stop/or kill Jean as a baby/or before she was born (that would be right around when she was born) believing that she was what caused that future... and that the x-men (wolverine and whatever other x-men go with him) travel back to stop them

that idea is actually starting to make since
(and tho, it wouldn't necessarily prevent Jeans death in the original timeline, it would still be about Logan trying to save her)

it poses an interesting question, as stopping her from being born may actually save life's in the future, and knowing her fate, would wolverine rather have to go through kill her again vs never having known her

as the old saying goes "it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all"

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I mentioned that idea, but it just doesn't fit the bill. Nixon is in this movie and Washington D.C is a huge focus. So Jean's birth seems to be irrelevant, but as a side plot maybe? Plus wouldn't the idea to be to kill Jean? Or her mother, such that TLS never comes to fruition? Why would Logan ever consider that?

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because the x-men don't go back in time to kill baby's

maybe they learn of the plans, but, believe can find another way, with out having to kill her

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Old 06-05-2013, 10:55 AM   #46
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No, we need more Jean! Wolverine can't just suddenly forget about her considering she's haunting him in The Wolverine. He LOVES her!
Yes!!Famke must be return on X-Men days of future past.This is a Original Trilogy reunion.James and Famke should be in this movie.

Gambit never appeared in the Original Trilogy,not required for this film.

Angel and Beast are not necessary,Ben Foster does not even like to fans.

Nightcrawler is amazing,but only participated in X2.Get them back in another film.

The only necessary at this reunion are Jean / Famke and Scott / Marsden.

And Rebecca Romijn!!If this does not happen it will be unfair.

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Jean is in The Wolverine only as a flashback from what I gather, and thats okay for THAT movie.
No, according to the director of the film, Jean's death haunts Wolverine and "[She] pops up to mock, comfort and advise Logan" I don't think there is any flashback in the film.

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