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Old 06-06-2013, 10:23 PM   #51
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You seem to be implying that Deadpool and FC should not be made cause they wont make as much as a Main Team film. Not just here but in every other X-Men thread, where your much more blunt about it.
Thats right! And FOX can make the most profit with just 1 film, if they release a film that could gross more than $500 million at the box-office. They don't need to release multiple films because that would require them to cash out more money.

And you don't realize, if 1 X-Men spin-off movie completely bombed at the box-office or the heads of FOX became so disappointment with the box-office performance. It could jeopardize the movie series or harm the future X-Men movie releases.

And just because they have the movie rights for over 100 characters, not all of them should be adapted into film. We are already lucky that we got 3 spin-off X-Men films - Origins, Wolverine, First Class. With the other studios, none of them released a spin-off movie. There's no spin-off for the Spider-Man characters, Hawkeye/Black Widow didn't get a solo movie after The Avengers, none of the supporting characters from the movie series Iron Man/Captain America/Thor got a solo movie. FOX was actually brave enough to release more than 1-spin-off movie. Most movie series didn't release a spin-off movie ever and if they did, most of them only released one and after that they continued releasing more films with the cast of the 1st movie.

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They don't need to release multiple films because that would require them to cash out for money.
This is why I'm disagreeing with you Psylockussus and saying Fox would lose money, because Fox makes a profit on all their X-Men properties. Doesn't matter if one makes less then the other, they still make more money off of multiple films. This is just gonna go in circles again so you can read the page back as my response for this subject. This has been done to death.


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Bottom-line is, they should just release films that will attract to the general audience the MOST. They shouldn't settle for $50 to $150 million domestic gross or $100 to $300 million domestic gross while they could earn more money with films that features the original cast.

If you think a Deadpool movie, a X-Force movie, another First Class movie w/o the original cast would be more successful that the original trilogy. Then go ahead. But given by the box-office numbers of Origins/First Class, its unlikely that these spin-offs film can outgross X3.

And even if you bring this excuse of giving these spin-offs a smaller budget, its not enough. Do you think producers are going to be satisfied with a $50 million budget to make a quality and expensive-looking movie. Making movies are expensive and if you think making these action/superhero movies with a budget less than $100 million is easy in today's standards, then you are wrong because if you are right, then why aren't most studios doing this and why do they have to spend at least $150 million per movie.

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What are you not getting here?

More X films will make Fox additional millions then just releasing one film. No one is debating the Main team will make more money then those films, or that they should make those other solos and teams instead main X Team. The main team will make more money and always be there.

I could care less if you agree with me at this point, but your failure to at least understand my pov is ridiculous. 3 X movies released by Fox in 3 years will make the studio more money then releasing just one, do the math.


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What are you not getting here?

More X films will make Fox additional millions then just releasing one film. No one is debating the Main team will make more money then those films. Because they will.

I could care less if you agree with me at this point, but your failure to at least understand my pov is ridiculous. 3 X movies released by Fox in 3 years will make the studio more then one would, do the math.
Seriously? additional millions? Like as if they aren't spending money and time to make these movies and the general audience won't get tired of seeing a new X-men spin-off every year. Thats why most movie series have a 2 to 3 years gap between their movies, so the series won't face oversaturation.

And again, these movies aren't like comic-books and the X-Men universe isn't MCU. Be realistic.

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Seriously? additional millions? Like as if they aren't spending money and time to make these movies and the general audience won't get tired of seeing a new X-men spin-off every year. Thats why most movie series have a 2 to 3 years gap, so the series won't face oversaturation.
Yeah they wil gain at least another 300-400ww on another FC film and you knwo this.The only thing over saturating this franchise is giving us the same ****ing characters over and over. New films are new. But thats a whole different argument. Im done.

New Mutants hope to see that **** go down

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Gosh, imagine if the X-Men franchise released a new movie (including spin-offs) every year since 2000. There wouldn't be excitement anymore! And the general audience wouldn't even care anymore to watch more X-Men films, and it won't matter how good they are because its just overkill to release 10 X-Men films in 10 years. Not all people are going to pay for a ticket and go to a theater to watch a new X-Men movie year and the thing is X-Men is NOT even the biggest movie series ever! Its not even included in the top ten most successful movie series! This is just ridiculous if you think its a good idea. Based on what you are trying to say (3-X-Men movies in 3 years equals to more millions), you totally think releasing movies is similar to releasing a comic-book issue every month.

Even the Harry Potter movie series (which had same characters over and over, thanks for pointing that out Def28) had a 2 year-gap for some of their movies and they didn't bother to release a spin-off movie.

This series needs a straight / clear direction not different directions. They shouldn't release a movie that features the original cast this year, then next year a prequel, then 2 years later, a spin-off movie for a smaller character, then 3 years later a film for a new team. Its better and easier to just stick with 1 cast, then make sequels with them. This series already went to the prequels and spin-offs phase. Did it improve the popularity of the X-Men compare to the original trilogy? Definitely not.

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The franchise might get enough money to warrant 2 to 3 films in the future, but business-wise, they shouldn't settle for characters/cast that are less appealing to general audience.

Thats like asking a casual viewer, to pick the cast of Star Trek Generations over the original Star Trek cast.
As others have said, the logic in what you're saying is flawed.

The casual viewer doesn't already know which of the X-Men are 'popular.' The films made Jackman's Wolverine popular (but not enough for Origins to beat X2 or X3 at the box office). Just like the casual viewer had no clue who Iron Man was before Downey Jr nailed the role.

These films can make characters popular by giving them strong roles. If Cyclops had a powerful central role he would be super-popular too.

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totally agree on that.

Thanks for posting it, xmaniac. Its something not so many fans understand.

Its all about HOW the studios and directors/writers portray the characters. Not about the comics and how they work at all.

NONE knew what was an Avatar. And just after the first movie, soooooooooo many people love them. Why? because James Cameron did an awesome job with them, with good moments/scenes and of course really cool action scenes.

Thats exactly what Fox and directors have to do, do an awesome job with other characters to make the general audience fall in love with all the x-men, not just Wolverine.

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As others have said, the logic in what you're saying is flawed.

The casual viewer doesn't already know which of the X-Men are 'popular.' The films made Jackman's Wolverine popular (but not enough for Origins to beat X2 or X3 at the box office). Just like the casual viewer had no clue who Iron Man was before Downey Jr nailed the role.

These films can make characters popular by giving them strong roles. If Cyclops had a powerful central role he would be super-popular too.
Wolverine was already the most popular X-Men character even before X-Men 1 was released. He was in every cartoon and videogame before X1 was released. In the intro of the first animated series, look who was shown first? Wolverine. Plus he already had his own comic-book series.

And Origins wasn't going to beat X2/X3 because like I said before, Wolverine with the X-Men sells more than just Wolverine himself. Plus Origins was a prequel.

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In the intro of the first animated series, look who was shown first?
if you mean the 90s one, wolverine isn't shown first

neither is he first in the intro for X-men evolution cartoon

cyclops is the first one shown in both

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I think Psylockolossus was trying to illustrate that Wolverine was well saturated in Marvel media before he was committed to film.

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if you mean the 90s one, wolverine isn't shown first

neither is he first in the intro for X-men evolution cartoon

cyclops is the first one shown in both
Oh okay I got it wrong, but still Wolverine had more importance in the show.

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Exactly! Plus I don't think Cyclops had a 50-issues comic-book series. Wolverine already had one before X1 was released.

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Thats exactly what Fox and directors have to do, do an awesome job with other characters to make the general audience fall in love with all the x-men, not just Wolverine.
I can't even believe this is up for debate.

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There's no denying that they make these characters more popular by giving them stronger roles, but to headline a solo movie, a spin-off movie? Like I said, there aren't a lot of movie series out there that released a spin-off movie. We already got 3. 2 for Wolverine, 1 for Professor X/Magneto. Another one would be a bigger risk.

And this is not MCU, where a lot of characters can headline their own movie. At least the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Inhumans can be seen in a different category even if they appear in The Avengers, they wouldn't under the category of Iron Man films, the category of Captain America films, the category of Thor films. But Deadpool, Wolverine, First Class, New Mutants, X-Factor, X-Force all falls under the X-Men category and thats why it would have an effect to the future X-Men movie releases if they don't perform well at the box-office.

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There's no denying that they make these characters more popular by giving them stronger roles, but to headline a solo movie, a spin-off movie? Like I said, there aren't a lot of movie series out there that released a spin-off movie. We already got 3. 2 for Wolverine, 1 for Professor X/Magneto. Another one would be a bigger risk.

And this is not MCU, where a lot of characters can headline their own movie. At least the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Inhumans can be seen in a different category even if they appear in The Avengers, they wouldn't under the category of Iron Man films, the category of Captain America films, the category of Thor films. But Deadpool, Wolverine, First Class, New Mutants, X-Factor, X-Force all falls under the X-Men category and thats why it would have an effect to the future X-Men movie releases if they don't perform well at the box-office.
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Thats why I also suggested that in X-Men 5, they need to change the focus of the series - and it should be on the X-Men team and give the other characters more character development.

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Its something not so many fans understand. Its all about HOW the studios and directors/writers portray the characters. Not about the comics and how they work at all.

NONE knew what was an Avatar. And just after the first movie, soooooooooo many people love them. Why? because James Cameron did an awesome job with them, with good moments/scenes and of course really cool action scenes.

Thats exactly what Fox and directors have to do, do an awesome job with other characters to make the general audience fall in love with all the x-men, not just Wolverine.
And you probably think the best way to showcase this is to do it in a spin-off movie or a prequel movie?

I don't. They could do this in X-Men 5 as long as they get a good writer/director and if they don't focus on Wolverine all the time, I've said that a couple of times.

And like I said before, people just wants to see a good and entertaining film, but at the same time, if FOX/the producers really want their films to have the best chance for success, they have to do films with the cast that really appeals to the general audience. We all know, the original trilogy cast did better than Origins/First Class and soon The Wolverine at the box-office. So it would be a good idea, if they continue with the cast that had the most success at the box-office and if they get the X-Men 5 film so right, it would be very successful.

I can't say that to Deadpool, First Class 3, Wolverine 3, New Mutants, even if they are the best thing ever, they wouldn't still outgross X3. And don't even compare them to Avatar, Avatar was not a D-list property from a comic-book series, it was the 1st movie in the series, it was not a spin-off and it doesn't fall under the other movie series unlike with First Class 3, Deadpool, Wolverine, New Mutants which are all going to fall under the X-Men brand/category.

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Your logic is so incredibly flawed and one minded

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agree with gueststar.

Not all the x-men spin-offs have to get X3 numbers. Fox would be stupid to expect that.

And they dont really know how the spin-offs could work.

Thor made more than 400m. So.... who are we to say a X-Men solo movie cant do similar numbers?

As Ive said, its all about the Director, CAST, how Epic the movie looks and Marketing.

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I don't have to be somebody to predict that spin-offs will not be as successful as the original trilogy. There's only few spin-off movies that did better than the original series at the box-office. Its a writing on the wall, that the first two spin-offs/prequels that were released, didn't make more money than the original trilogy. It looked like they both outgrossed X1 but when you adjust the ticket's price, they didn't. And right now, it looks The Wolverine will follow the trend of X-Men spin-off movies not outgrossing the original trilogy.

Of course, they shouldn't expect that every X-Men movie should be the highest grossing X-Men film to date. I'm not even sure if a X-Men 5 movie would outgross DOFP. But they should focus on films w/c has the most chance for success. You know another film with original cast is going to do better than a third First Class film, you even have a Twitter campaign but you are still insisting that they should make a third First Class film.

Most of you think releasing another spin-off movie is a good idea. But seriously, you go out of this board and ask people if they want are more interested in seeing another spin-off movie than seeing another movie with the original cast.

And no, you shouldn't just except that the movie WILL be very successful just because of the director, cast, how epic the movie looks and the marketing. We all know that its not enough especially with FOX's marketing skills right now. First Class had a good cast and director and it still ended up as the lowest grossing X-Men film.

And Thor is different to a X-Men spin-off, simply because its not a spin-off movie and it didn't come from an on-going movie series. Like seriously, if they release a spin-off for one of the characters from Thor, it wouldn't outgross Thor. Its the same case with X-Men or any superhero film series.

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Yeah I hear ya, Clearly X-Men First Class's (non 3D) 353WW and XMOW's (non 3D) 373WW numbers are very far off from Captain Americas (3D) 368WW and Thors (3D) 449ww haha. And with 3D + inflation they are even closer .

Fox makes money off all X-Men films. FC2 would be a hit for Fox.
Especially if a lil film called DoFP is as crowd pleasing as most hope. They are a big part of that franchise now. Adding Cyclops, Storm and Jean in that timline would be big.


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And this is supposed to be good news? So should FOX just be content with the box-office performance of First Class and spin-offs, when they could earn so much more with the cast of OT. No, because with that logic and reasoning, they are settling for 2nd place and 3rd place. They are really holding back the potential of this franchise if they would just continue releasing spin-off films.

Who knows if X-Men 4 was released in 2011, it would probably earned more money than Thor and Captain America.

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No, because with that logic and reasoning, they are settling for 2nd place and 3rd place. They are really holding back the potential of this franchise if they would just continue releasing spin-off films.
I could care less if FC made 10 million less then Cap without 3D. Or if DOFP makes 800m less then The Avengers. They are still a hit. As long as they are good, using the potential of the characters I want to see and not flopping. I'm happy.

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Well in my opinion, its better that they just make films that has the most potential for success. FOX definitely had a wake-up call when they finally decided to bring back the original cast for a 4th film. Its better that they are finally doing this now than to wait for one of their spin-off movies to completely disappoint their expectations at the box-office.

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Old 06-09-2013, 11:02 AM   #75
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Well in my opinion, its better that they just make films that has the most potential for success. FOX definitely had a wake-up call when they finally decided to bring back the original cast for a 4th film. Its better that they are finally doing this now than to wait for one of their spin-off movies to completely disappoint their expectations at the box-office.

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