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Mad Scientist |
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76 | 21.41% |
Inventor |
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101 | 28.45% |
Corrupt Businessman |
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318 | 89.58% |
Fan of Superboy (root of his hatred for Superman) |
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6 | 1.69% |
Former Friend of Clark Kent in Smallville |
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49 | 13.80% |
Crook (Donnerverse) |
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16 | 4.51% |
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Still looks like Superman, wears red and blue, flies and has a cape (no armor
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That's not why Uncle Ben was killed.
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More or less. It's different than the comic origin anyways.
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Nope. But even still, this confuses. If Lex was drawn black in a comic, would you be all for it? Even though, according to your logic, that is not Lex? As long as it's in the comics, a-ok? There's a ton of stupid **** in comics.
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Can you please come up with better reasoning than "that's not the characters"? If making Lex black somehow profoundly changes who the character is, and what his motivations are, and if a Blonde Superman (which I think half decent costume designers could pretty easily make work, though blonde kinda falls into the "change for change's sake category, considering that hair dye exists) suddenly turns him into a completely different character, than I'd like to hear an actual reason.
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Also, Diane Lane is a goddess and I will hear nothing less.
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What if the colour came out wrong on a print run of a comic, making Lex look black? Would that validate the casting of a black actor in the role?
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The X-Men movies are a travesty compared to what Marvel is doing now. That's my only complaint with Jackman.
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Superman has dark hair. Clark Kent wears glasses. If all you want to do is change the characters and you can't be happy with simple things like that, why would you even bother touching them in the first place? |
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But yeah, unless it's in the comics, it's not okay. Yeah, there's a ton of stupid **** in the comics, and this is where the movie creative decisions come in and they have a chance to change that and/or do something better. But to take something that works and is more than fine the way it is and is established and well known and change it just becauuuse... "eh, let's make him a black guy!" is wrong to me. Zero reason for it whatsoever other than somebody wanted to change it just for the hell of it. |
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How does black Lex NOT fall into change for the sake of change? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Last edited by Kevin Smith; 07-01-2013 at 04:44 PM. |
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Barely. True. Loved her Martha, and loved the country sass she brought to the role. ![]() |
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And I thought Kevin Spacey was great and completely misused in Superman Returns. He could have been the Post Crisis/animated Lex we all wanted to see but instead they had him doing...darker Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman could have made a great Luthor too but they wanted him to play it campy and comical, his character in the Quick and the Dead is pretty much proof of how awesome he could have played Luthor if they wrote him that way. |
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I meant early on. Not in the final designs. In one of the early looks for the show Perry was black. |
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because unlike something like blonde hair, it could actually have an impact on the role itself, not because of the race, but because of the actor, I'm not suggesting that Snyder and co. go out and do a manhunt for a black or asian lex, I'm not suggesting they change it just to change it. I'm suggesting that they keep all options open, because there's doubtless quite a few non-white actors that could very well do very great things with the role, and it'd be a shame to see them not be considered because of something as shallow as skin color. And would you stop with the, "if it's not in the comics" BS, this is film, an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MEDIUM, it's just as viable an alternate take on characters as Marvel's Ultimate line (where they've made their fair share of changes, though I'm sure you'll have some stupid excuse for why you think this is a different situation)
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I don't understand the thought process that leads to the assumption that, in this scenario, the decision will have been made to 'make him black', and 'for the sake of it'. Is it impossible that somebody would be chosen on merit, irrespective of race?
In any case, I have yet to hear a convincing explanation of why Lex' s race is important.
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because there isn't one.
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Because it's the source material and it's a "different" character, assuming it's a "rebooted" version and not a retcon. A retcon would be pointless and I would be just as opposed to that as I am to pushing black Lex in the movie. It's unnecessary and it's NOT Lex Luthor.
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This face doenst scream white ![]() Really though Kevin Smith your starting to sound like the guys who hated Daniel Craig as Bond because he was blonde. I do see your point a bit. For a iconic character like Luthor to be white in the comics to suddenly become black would feel a bit unsettling and distracting because its something new. If Dwayne Johnson was was a better actor I wouldnt mind him getting the role. Hes not white or black and would provide a nice middle ground I just think alot of people, including myself, want to see more ethnic groups in super hero films. The problem is since comics were made so long ago 99% of the characters are white. John Stewart as Green Lantern is a nice start and I'd like to see more of that |
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Lex Luthor could be black. There's no explanation that makes sense because whatever race he is does not affect his attributes, his personality, his wealth, his ego, his intelligence, his whatever. All of the essence would be intact. This NEVER has to be an exact replica of the source material because it is NOT the comics. Things can be changed, and Lex Luthor being played by Dwayne Johnson (like somebody said, if his personality or acting matched what was needed a little more then it..) would be ABSOLUTELY FINE.
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