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Old 07-03-2013, 07:47 PM   #226
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What I'm about to say will probably piss off a lot of people who were always in the Anti-Bale camp. Even though in all likelihood there's little chance of Bale returning, things can always change. Yes, I know Goyer, Roven, and Bale have all said the TDK Universe is finished and will not be part of the DC Cinematic Universe if it even comes to be. That said, what else would you really expect them to say right now? "Oh yeah they're completely related! Expect a Batman/Superman movie in 2015 starring Bale and Cavill!" lol! Yeah right! On the off chance that they were developing a scenario to incorporate the trilogy into a shared universe, we all know they would play it close to the vest until they were ready to announce it. In regards to Christian Bale's comments when he says ĒI have no information, no knowledge about anything. Iíve literally not had a conversation with a living soul. I understand that they may be making a Justice League movie, thatís it.Ē Christian if you really don't want anything to do with Batman anymore perhaps you shouldn't have said that because WB's probably going to be blowing up your phone now! Well, your agents phone anyway.
Yeah. I personally don't see Bale or Nolan returning for this shared universe. I think a bat reboot is coming and they'll change things to make him superpowered from the getgo that way when we see him in his own film, he's young and already able to handle any monster or criminal that walks into his path.

But you're right. Elmayimbe even said that he thinks its a reboot but Bale could be negotiating through tactics or it could get WB's attention.

All im saying up above this post is that even though Bale is probably not involved with this DCU with Cavill, nobody can say (not even Nolan himself) that a 4th movie couldn't happen in the 2020's....close to 2030. Heck, WB were trying to get Keaton for something like 10 years after his last movie. Im sure WB will try and try for Bale in 10, 20 years. They'll keep trying if Batman gets to another low point.

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The entire essence, blah blah. More purist talk. Im honestly sick of that ******** around here. It's so juvenile. It's film, his interpretation, get over it. Thank god Nolan went the direction he did with Rises otherwise we would have had the same old stupid ending where Batman's on a rooftop "Batman lives forever as Bruce Wayne". Thank GOD he had the balls to give the character a beautiful ending instead of doing something boring. Something we'll see at the end of every Batman film for the rest of eternity. Ughh.

BTW Jonah had a massive amount of control with Rises. Just as much as TDK.

The "essence of batman". Ive been on this planet longer than u have buddy, like most of us here, and probably been a fan of this character for longer and ur gonna try to post things over and over like you know the essence of him more than David Goyer, Michael Uslan (who ADORED the ending to Rises), hell even if Jett is an A-Hole...he and the others ive listed have been hardcore fans of this character for 40 to 60 years of Batmans 75 year existence. And of course YOU know the essence more than they do. Or you at least don't think the ending served any purpose? Give me a break.



They can do what they want with Batman. Same with Burton. Nolan or any future director can END their story however they want because comics don't have an ending. That's not ego on their part, that is simply being an artist who is doing their interpretation of the character because they're able to and because it is not the comics so they can do things the comics can't do.
Ah, more lectures about me being a purist.

I find it funny how you assume that getting the essence of a character right is rocket science. It isn't. Keeping the essence of Batman =/= things being 100% accurate. One can do major alterations to a character in his interpretation and I would still be fine with it as long as the essence is there.

Let's take Ra's al Ghul in BB for example. That Ra's is not the same Ra's of the comics. It is Nolan's own interpretation of Ra's. He has an entire different goal and even different tactics than the Ra's of the comics. He also is the head of the League of Shadows as opposed to the League of Assassins. However, the essence of the character is still there. The essence of Ra's would be the lines he crosses in order to get what he wants, the fact that he isn't afraid of killing whoever gets in the way, the fact that he believes he is doing the right thing even if sacrifices are made, and the fact that he wants Bruce to be his successor. All those things are still there in BB despite that Ra's being an entirely different character.

Another example is Batman in The Dark Knight Returns. The Dark Knight Returns portrayed Batman as a psychotic madman on a ridiculous level. However, Frank Miller still respected the essence of Batman in that book (and ONLY in that book; his later work on Batman is another story) by staying true to the message behind Batman and by still staying true to Batman's no-kill policy. I will use one specific scene to prove my point, though there are many other scenes in the book that I could've used to do so. At one point in the story, the Joker pushes Batman to his full limits by finally getting him to use a gun - the one weapon he would never use - to avoid the GCPD. That is a limit that Batman has never touched before. As Batman uses the gun, he looks at the smile on the Joker's corpse and says "Stop laughing". It was a scene that added to the Batman/Joker dynamic and to the theme of guns. Despite being something Batman wouldn't do, the essence was there due to those reasons. It wasn't Miller saying "**** this, let's make my Batman use guns willy nilly cuz that's cool!"

Man of Steel is another example. To my knowledge, the idea of Kal-El being the first natural-born Kryptonian in centuries is not from the comics. However, the essence of Superman is still there because it ties into the idea of Kal-El being a symbol of hope, which is what Superman has always been a symbol of. Lois Lane knowing his identity from the start is not the direction I would've went personally but it still stays true to the essence of their relationship because their feelings and the way they act around each other is still intact. Superman kills Zod, something he would never do. However, that scene in which it happens still stays true to the essence of Superman by having Superman fall on his knees and weep for what he did, which is exactly what the Superman from the comics would do if he was in that situation. By doing that, they stayed true to the essence of Superman.

Having the essence of a character there is not rocket science. It does not mean that things have to be 100% accurate and straight-off-the-page or else the essence is lacking. The essence is indeed present if things do turn out being completely accurate down to the bone, but it is not completely necessary for things to be completely accurate in order for the essence to be present. Getting the essence right is simple. All it takes is to have a few simple and basic things in there.

In TDKR's case, the essence is not there. The whole message of the film goes completely against the message of Batman. If I was to write down on a piece of paper what the message and meaning of Batman was, TDKR would contradict every single one of those points. It is not that TDKR ignored those points or gave its own spin on those points. It is that TDKR deliberately went against all those points. The message of TDKR and the message of Batman are the complete opposite of one another. TDKR is hot while Batman is cold. When you make an entire film with the message that anyone can be Batman and that Bruce should outgrow Batman, that is not keeping the essence there. That is going against the very essence of Batman. Things don't have to be 100% accurate but that doesn't mean that you can completely go against the very essence of something.

When did I say that I get Batman more than Goyer and everyone else here? I never made such statement. I could care less what other people think. I am an individual and I come to conclusions based on my own knowledge and judgments. I don't have to be some puppet or bandwagoner that goes around agreeing with everything Goyer and other people say. Also, it is possible for even the greatest people out there to screw up. I never stated that guys like Goyer don't get Batman but even if Goyer knew Batman better than anyone else in the world, that wouldn't mean he would never screw up with Batman because nobody is perfect. People drop the ball sometimes and that is fine. Even Bruce Timm had a few moments during Batman TAS where I thought Batman did something I don't picture him doing.

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Old 07-03-2013, 07:56 PM   #228
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Reusing Nolan's world for Batman Beyond is just flat out bad. Blake wouldn't work as a Terry replacement, because Blake- in his mid-30's- would miss the concept of Terry entirely, which would be the fact that it is a young man in the suit, much like Peter Parker as Spider-Man.

Imagine it as a Spider-Man series, but instead of being a teenager when he is bitten by the spider he is 35, then you'll understand the problem of your Batman Beyond.

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Ah, more lectures about me being a purist.

I find it funny how you assume that getting the essence of a character right is rocket science. It isn't. Keeping the essence of Batman =/= things being 100% accurate. One can do major alterations to a character in his interpretation and I would still be fine with it as long as the essence is there.

Let's take Ra's al Ghul in BB for example. That Ra's is not the same Ra's of the comics. It is Nolan's own interpretation of Ra's. He has an entire different goal and even different tactics than the Ra's of the comics. He also is the head of the League of Shadows as opposed to the League of Assassins. However, the essence of the character is still there. The essence of Ra's would be the lines he crosses in order to get what he wants, the fact that he isn't afraid of killing whoever gets in the way, the fact that he believes he is doing the right thing even if sacrifices are made, and the fact that he wants Bruce to be his successor. All those things are still there in BB despite that Ra's being an entirely different character.

Another example is Batman in The Dark Knight Returns. The Dark Knight Returns portrayed Batman as a psychotic madman on a ridiculous level. However, Frank Miller still respected the essence of Batman in that book (and ONLY in that book; his later work on Batman is another story) by staying true to the message behind Batman and by still staying true to Batman's no-kill policy. I will use one specific scene to prove my point, though there are many other scenes in the book that I could've used to do so. At one point in the story, the Joker pushes Batman to his full limits by finally getting him to use a gun - the one weapon he would never use - to avoid the GCPD. That is a limit that Batman has never touched before. As Batman uses the gun, he looks at the smile on the Joker's corpse and says "Stop laughing". It was a scene that added to the Batman/Joker dynamic and to the theme of guns. Despite being something Batman wouldn't do, the essence was there due to those reasons. It wasn't Miller saying "**** this, let's make my Batman use guns willy nilly cuz that's cool!"

Man of Steel is another example. To my knowledge, the idea of Kal-El being the first natural-born Kryptonian in centuries is not from the comics. However, the essence of Superman is still there because it ties into the idea of Kal-El being a symbol of hope, which is what Superman has always been a symbol of. Lois Lane knowing his identity from the start is not the direction I would've went personally but it still stays true to the essence of their relationship because their feelings and the way they act around each other is still intact. Superman kills Zod, something he would never do. However, that scene in which it happens still stays true to the essence of Superman by having Superman fall on his knees and weep for what he did, which is exactly what the Superman from the comics would do if he was in that situation. By doing that, they stayed true to the essence of Superman.

Having the essence of a character there is not rocket science. It does not mean that things have to be 100% accurate and straight-off-the-page or else the essence is lacking. The essence is indeed present if things do turn out being completely accurate down to the bone, but it is not completely necessary for things to be completely accurate in order for the essence to be present. Getting the essence right is simple. All it takes is to have a few simple and basic things in there.

In TDKR's case, the essence is not there. The whole message of the film goes completely against the message of Batman. If I was to write down on a piece of paper what the message and meaning of Batman was, TDKR would contradict every single one of those points. It is not that TDKR ignored those points or gave its own spin on those points. It is that TDKR deliberately went against all those points. The message of TDKR and the message of Batman are the complete opposite of one another. TDKR is hot while Batman is cold. When you make an entire film with the message that anyone can be Batman and that Bruce should outgrow Batman, that is not keeping the essence there. That is going against the very essence of Batman. Things don't have to be 100% accurate but that doesn't mean that you can completely go against the very essence of something.

When did I say that I get Batman more than Goyer and everyone else here? I never made such statement. I could care less what other people think. I am an individual and I come to conclusions based on my own knowledge and judgments. I don't have to be some puppet or bandwagoner that goes around agreeing with everything Goyer and other people say. Also, it is possible for even the greatest people out there to screw up. I never stated that guys like Goyer don't get Batman but even if Goyer knew Batman better than anyone else in the world, that wouldn't mean he would never screw up with Batman because nobody is perfect. People drop the ball sometimes and that is fine. Even Bruce Timm had a few moments during Batman TAS where I thought Batman did something I don't picture him doing.

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Old 07-03-2013, 07:58 PM   #229
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But like said previously. WB really have no solid clue when JL is getting done. They have expectations, very little plans.

Would Bale really be interested to sit by his phone for God knows how long for this movie? Especially when there is little chance of him receiving that call down the long line?

I can't see him returning.
You bring up a solid point regarding WB, and JL getting done period! Aside from Bale, I think there's real question on my end into Cavill's involvement. His contract is for three films like Bale's. If Cavill does two Superman movies and a Justice League, then decides not to return, that puts a damper on the whole thing. Unless JL was just conceived to be one film which we know it wouldn't. So obviously in order for this plan to work some major deals are going to have to be made with actors. That said not everyone is going to get a Robert Downey Jr. payout either.

Now back to Bale for a second. Of course he's not sitting by his phone now. As far as he's concerned he's done. However, you never really saw the actual words in quotation "I would never do a Justice League movie. It doesn't fit with what we've created". No instead he responds to the idea of Justice League with an answer that basicly says he has no knowledge about it other then that the studio is interested in possibly doing it. Therefore, once they get Superman on solid ground after another sequel or two there's always a slight chance they could go back to Bale with an offer. His age wouldn't be a problem at all because Downey, Jackman, Craig, and Brosnan have all proven that you can keep a character like that going after 40.

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Sorry to those who hate the redundancy of this topic, but until a new actor is cast this will always be lingering in the back of some of our minds.

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I think it may as well become the default Batman thread of the Justice League section.

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The entire essence, blah blah. More purist talk. Im honestly sick of that ******** around here. It's so juvenile. It's film, his interpretation, get over it. Thank god Nolan went the direction he did with Rises otherwise we would have had the same old stupid ending where Batman's on a rooftop "Batman lives forever as Bruce Wayne". Thank GOD he had the balls to give the character a beautiful ending instead of doing something boring. Something we'll see at the end of every Batman film for the rest of eternity. Ughh.

BTW Jonah had a massive amount of control with Rises. Just as much as TDK.

The "essence of batman". Ive been on this planet longer than u have buddy, like most of us here, and probably been a fan of this character for longer and ur gonna try to post things over and over like you know the essence of him more than David Goyer, Michael Uslan (who ADORED the ending to Rises), hell even if Jett is an A-Hole...he and the others ive listed have been hardcore fans of this character for 40 to 60 years of Batmans 75 year existence. And of course YOU know the essence more than they do. Or you at least don't think the ending served any purpose? Give me a break.



They can do what they want with Batman. Same with Burton. Nolan or any future director can END their story however they want because comics don't have an ending. That's not ego on their part, that is simply being an artist who is doing their interpretation of the character because they're able to and because it is not the comics so they can do things the comics can't do.
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If Bale wanted to come back as Batman, I'd be more than happy.

But everybody wants to see Batman rejuvenated once again. Bale will likely be pushing 60 by his final film. It's a long stretch I don't see WB going for tbh. If they want Bale back they'd have to do something Batman related NOW.

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Sorry to those who hate the redundancy of this topic, but until a new actor is cast this will always be lingering in the back of some of our minds.
Apparently even after a new actor has been cast we may STILL have this topic for the next 10-20 years!

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Apparently even after a new actor has been cast we may STILL have this topic for the next 10-20 years!
Oh no! When it is done and the new actor for Batman is officially announced I will personally say to the entire thread......


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Again, if they went every franchise is separate, I wouldn't care if the film was good and then they could loosely link it to any of the other films they wanted.

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Funny as to how shauner only went in-depth with my dislike of the idea whilst ignoring other naysayers.
He seems especially cool with me if I like his casting suggestions as well, but the moment something sucks, all hell breaks loose for him. Hypocrisy is strong on these boards.

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Exactly

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Goyer already said its a different Bruce Wayne.

Bale said his Batman days are over.

Let it go.

CLOSE THIS THREAD!

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Goyer already said its a different Bruce Wayne.

Bale said his Batman days are over.

Let it go.

CLOSE THIS THREAD!
Yeah, why is this thing still open? We should be speculating about replacements, not going around in circles about "will he/won't he" when he clearly won't be.

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Yeah, why is this thing still open? We should be speculating about replacements, not going around in circles about "will he/won't he" when he clearly won't be.
Speculating about replacements is far bigger waste of time then speculating about the possibility of WB trying to bring Bale back down the line. If you start trying to envision one particular actor for the part and then 6'5" Armie Hammer get's cast.....well you've pretty much set yourself up for disappointment.

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Bale said his Batman days are over.

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Bale said his batman days are over.

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Bale said his Batman days are over.

Let it go.

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I've already created a thread for those who aren't in denial to use

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Speculating about replacements is far bigger waste of time then speculating about the possibility of WB trying to bring Bale back down the line. If you start trying to envision one particular actor for the part and then 6'5" Armie Hammer get's cast.....well you've pretty much set yourself up for disappointment.
So speculating about something that was confirmed to happen is a far bigger waste of time than speculating about the nonexistent chances of Bale coming back?

If you're expecting Bale back, you're setting yourself up for a far bigger disappointment.

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