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Old 07-01-2013, 03:59 PM   #226
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Maggie in BB

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I understand. But that part wasn't even in the movie, other than a quick rushy shot from a different angle.

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Old 07-03-2013, 08:29 AM   #227
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Loved Maggie in TDK, would have loved to see her in BB.
Acting wise, Katie is the only weak link in these movies. Other than the extras and the cops with big mouths

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Old 07-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #228
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You guys must have seen something in Maggie I didn't. For me, her function was to make me not feel bad when Rachel dies. I can't believe I'm saying this but Katie. I disliked Maggie so much in TDK, she's a big negative in a film for me.

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Old 07-04-2013, 01:28 PM   #229
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Loved Maggie in TDK, would have loved to see her in BB.
Acting wise, Katie is the only weak link in these movies. Other than the extras and the cops with big mouths
Katie is the only case of miscasting in all of Nolan's movies.

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Old 07-09-2013, 11:45 AM   #230
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This is a hard question. I liked both of them. Holmes was perfect as Bruce's childhood friend who had to give him a kick in the rump every now and then in BB. She was meant to be a little childish, I think, because she was supposed to represent the innocence that Bruce had lost, the innocence that he wants to have again, in the form of a normal life.

Maggie, on the older hand, was perfect as the mature, experienced DA. It's almost like she and Holmes played two completely different characters.

Truth be told, I don't think either of them would've been as successful playing the other's role. So, that said, I wouldn't change anything. I'd keep it as it happened. Or I'd just find a different actress entirely.
I agree very much with this year old post. With the exception of Katie's delivery of the 'I'm a Gotham DA let me through' line, I thought she was fine as the childhood friend that Bruce pines for. She comes across as pretty and sweet - innocent qualities that Bruce cannot resist. Those qualities, however, simply would not work with the next chapter and Maggie successfully takes the character to another level in TDK.

In TDK, Rachel comes across as a very competent, devoted, and, more importantly, believable DA. I would have a very difficult time believing Katie in the scene with that Lao (?) guy.

Also, regarding the lack of chemistry between Bale and Gyllenhaal, I thought that was kinda the point. Bruce was holding on to something that just wasn't there, holding on to one of the last remnants of his happy life. I thought Rachel felt bad for her old friend (I mean who wouldn't) and didn't want to hurt him hence why she 'strung' him along for so long. Rachel also doesn't get Bruce. I think that's why she thought he was being sarcastic when he was endorsing Dent at the party when he was being sincere. They were all wrong for each other and the fact that Bruce couldn't see it was sad. But made for great drama!

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Old 07-09-2013, 02:09 PM   #231
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You guys must have seen something in Maggie I didn't. For me, her function was to make me not feel bad when Rachel dies. I can't believe I'm saying this but Katie. I disliked Maggie so much in TDK, she's a big negative in a film for me.
You guys must have seen something in Katie I didn't. For me, her function was to make me feel they put in a little girl playing adults (long preachy speeches and all) so I could be kicked out from the movie every time she's there.

I'll give you one thing though, the best thing Rachel did was dying.

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Old 07-09-2013, 02:36 PM   #232
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Katie's character was scripted and performed better to be Bruce's friend and love interest. Maggie's character was scripted and performed better to be an assistant DA.

The former was more important to me, and for continuity's sake. It's not just Maggie's "fault" the character didn't click with me in TDK, it was also a function of the script since they made Harvey so important right from the start.

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Old 07-10-2013, 02:11 PM   #233
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I'd have preferred her to be in it simply for continuity but I'm not a fan of her acting so in a perfect world Maggie G would have been in both movies.

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Old 07-10-2013, 02:16 PM   #234
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I hate recast so Katie Holmes should been in The Dark Knight. I would've preferred Maggie G in Batman Begins since she's the better actress overall.

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Old 07-11-2013, 08:09 AM   #235
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The past is the past, I know.

BUT, when I watch both films back to back, it's sooo annoying to see the lack of continuity in Rachel's casting.

So, for the sake of continuity, if you had the choice to go back in time, would you originally cast Maggie as Rachel in BB, or would you have Katie return for TDK?

Personally, I would have Maggie in both films.

NOTE: Ignore Tom Cruise and their personal lives, and just look at both ladies' performances themselves.
Just to clarify...Nolan offred Katie Holmes to return and SHE REFUSED.

That's a very stupid move on her part.

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Default Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB?

She was more suited in a Queen Latifah movie than a Batman one anyway

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Old 07-11-2013, 09:27 AM   #237
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Just to clarify...Nolan offred Katie Holmes to return and SHE REFUSED.

That's a very stupid move on her part.
I recall most of the rumors suggesting that WB didn't want her back due to her tabloid news taking some of the spotlight from the BB release. Perhaps that wasn't true? I forgot that she had still been offered to return.

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Old 07-11-2013, 01:51 PM   #238
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In the end it just turned out for the better.

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Old 07-11-2013, 02:57 PM   #239
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You guys must have seen something in Maggie I didn't. For me, her function was to make me not feel bad when Rachel dies. I can't believe I'm saying this but Katie. I disliked Maggie so much in TDK, she's a big negative in a film for me.
We just saw Maggie acting , in comparison to what Katie does. It's easy to choose.

As another user said , Maggie brought believability to the role. I could see her like an assistant DA.

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Old 07-11-2013, 03:41 PM   #240
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I recall most of the rumors suggesting that WB didn't want her back due to her tabloid news taking some of the spotlight from the BB release. Perhaps that wasn't true? I forgot that she had still been offered to return.
What spotlight did she get? Just because she was Cruise's wife?

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Old 07-11-2013, 04:02 PM   #241
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What spotlight did she get? Just because she was Cruise's wife?
I believe it was just general tabloid nonsense since that was right at the time of the Oprah couch jumping and such.

I'm not saying that was the cause, I'm saying that at that time I remember reading some 'rumors' (which may have not been true) that WB executives were upset that Katie's name was being more associated with Cruise and the couch jumping than with promoting Batman Begins, or that her engagement to cruise took some of the media spotlight away from BB.

It was just a random thought that occurred to me. I doubt it was true so people can neglect this comment.

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Old 07-11-2013, 04:08 PM   #242
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What I remember was rumors that WB was unhappy that while on her promotional run for BB, a lot of attention was spent on her relationship with Cruise rather than the movie. That's partially her fault, but also a result of her getting bombarded with those types of questions.

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Old 07-11-2013, 06:23 PM   #243
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I heard rumours that Cruise was jealous of Bale and that was part of the reason she ended up quitting. I don't really believe that (though, I'd understand being jealous of Bale ) but since we're talking rumours.

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It's pretty much what BatLobster said. Media and paparazzi kept asking Katie questions about Cruise rather than the film. That wasn't really her fault but WB suits didn't like it (allegedly).

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Did she not deflect questions about her relationship with Cruise and not just tell them to keep it to questions about Begins?

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I heard rumours that Cruise was jealous of Bale and that was part of the reason she ended up quitting. I don't really believe that (though, I'd understand being jealous of Bale ) but since we're talking rumours.
I remember that rumor! There was also another rumor that he didn't like that Katie will have to work with Aaron again especially since they got along really well in another movie prior to TDK.

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Did she not deflect questions about her relationship with Cruise and not just tell them to keep it to questions about Begins?
From what I remember, she did indulge some of those questions. I could be wrong, but that's what I recall.

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I hate recast so Katie Holmes should been in The Dark Knight. I would've preferred Maggie G in Batman Begins since she's the better actress overall.
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I would have prefered Maggie G in BB

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I would prefer Katie return. I honestly don't think Maggie was any better in the role, and I almost expected Bale to look at her at some point and say "wow, Rachel, these last few years have been REALLY rough on you."

Above either one of those two, though, I would choose Rachel McAdams, since I remember rumors of her being up for the replacement in Dark Knight. I think she is a better actress and better looking than both, so everyone wins.

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