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View Poll Results: What do you want fixed for the Batman reboot? (multiple votes allowed)
More impressive fight scenes 110 59.14%
"World's greatest detective" better displayed 133 71.51%
More imaginative villains/concepts explored 81 43.55%
More iconic imagery (Gotham/Batmobile/etc) 72 38.71%
Sidekicks included (Robin, Nightwing, Oracle) 65 34.95%
Full extent of Batman's various training better implied (flashbacks?) 32 17.20%
No growling Bat-voice 66 35.48%
Bruce is the mask, Batman is the true face 49 26.34%
Fix the suit (NO RUBBER) 46 24.73%
Fix the suit (BUT USING RUBBER AGAIN) 13 6.99%
No love interest 25 13.44%
No Lucius Fox (Batman does all the brainy work) 30 16.13%
Batman is a more shadowy and mysterious figure 63 33.87%
More BTAS influence 59 31.72%
More Arkham Asylum influence 69 37.10%
More comic book influence (70's-current) 28 15.05%
More memorable theme music 29 15.59%
Moar prep-time!!! (Batman is always a few steps ahead) 37 19.89%
All of the above 9 4.84%
other (please specify below) 14 7.53%
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:46 AM   #401
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The second biggest thing I want is a heavy influence from the Arkham games. It's a perfect mix between staying faithful to the comics, but being a bit realistic at the same time.
I haven't played these videogames, so I must profess some ignorance of them. Having said that, it seems to me that what they offer up is tonally pretty similar to the comics, with some revision of certain character designs etc.

With this in mind, I don't really understand why it is so frequently recommended as an influence on the next movie. Surely the massive lexicon of stories in the comics- on which the videogames are based, anyway- are a better primary influence? Otherwise, what would result would really be an adaptation of a videogame. Videogame adaptations are, on the whole, pointless and superficial. I really don't think that would be an advisable or necessary route on which to take Batman, who has been an ongoing character with his own literature for almost 80 years.

Also, I don't buy the videogames as the optimum balance of realism and faithfulness to the comics. The changes they do make to the comics appear to be on the side of a much more sci-fi/fantasy tone: witness the venom-pumped ogre-Joker or a Bane who looks like Juggernaut at an S&M party.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:14 AM   #402
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In the reboot version..Batman needs to be more of a detective like Arrow in the TV Show..

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Old 07-04-2013, 12:26 PM   #403
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Get used to it Sharky. There are a considerable amount of people that weren't content with Nolan's Batman and want their needs heard and fulfilled. More and more will come out of the woodworks as a possible reboot approaches reality. They've been lying dormant too long.

I was never dormant. I'm just less of a voice in the wilderness now.

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Old 07-04-2013, 02:31 PM   #404
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Let's see, I want a more coherent sounding Batman. He can be intimidating without sounding asthmatic. I also want a little less "gritty realism". I want characters like Mr. Freeze to be able to function in the new Batman series. Batman is a superhero and I think a proper superhero film needs to follow.

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Old 07-04-2013, 02:50 PM   #405
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Reg, you haven't played Arkham Asylum & Arkham City?

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Old 07-04-2013, 03:16 PM   #406
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I just want good films that are true to the comics interpretation, i never found Nolan's films that "realistic", in fact i could even buy Batman Begins and The Dark knight being part of the greater DCU, amny similar events like the ones displayed in the film happened in the comics too, and they may have changed the characters look but their personality was still there.

What really needs to change is the way Batman fights, for somebody with ninja training he definitelly didn't act like a ninja.

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Old 07-04-2013, 04:13 PM   #407
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Reg, you haven't played Arkham Asylum & Arkham City?
No, I haven't. I have barely played a videogame since the days of the N64. I'm sure the Batman games are great, but I just don't feel I can allow myself the time to get back into gaming.

Maybe I'll treat myself once the next one comes out on a new platform.

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Old 07-04-2013, 04:18 PM   #408
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You're missing out but yeah Arkham Series will probably be came out for PS4 & X1. I had great time with last two storywise they're good enough nothing amazing but the gameplay gives you playing for more plus you Conroy & Hamill as Batman & Joker from the BTAS.

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Arkham City is one of the best games every made IMO. We're just lucky it happened to be a Batman game.

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:34 PM   #410
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There needs to be more focus on the Waynes and their legacy in Gotham, especially Martha.

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:48 PM   #411
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I don't think anything needs to be fixed. I just want them to pretend Nolan's Batman never happened and have someone else do there thing.

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Mainly, I just want them to get Batman himself right this time. I might've enjoyed the Dark Knight movies a lot more if they hadn't made Batman such a wuss, always getting beaten up, duped, or otherwise made to seem "vulnerable". I don't know if it was Bale or the writers, but I couldn't get into it.

Batman should be a professional, never showing fear in combat, always anticipating the enemy. That would make the rare shows of weakness, because you wouldn't expect this character to be scared or confused or guilt-ridden. In short, make Batman a badass again, and I don't just mean cool fight scenes.

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:30 AM   #413
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Well im glad they did that because I find it boring when a character like Batman or Superman is just on top all the time and unbeatable. You can't get emotionally invested in a film if you know theyre going to win no matter what is thrown at them. There's no drama, just cool fight scenes. And even the fight scenes become one-sided.

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:44 AM   #414
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I think BTAS found a good balance between bat-god and a vulnerable Batman.

BTAS definitely featured a bad ass Batman.

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Old 07-05-2013, 10:03 AM   #415
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Well im glad they did that because I find it boring when a character like Batman or Superman is just on top all the time and unbeatable. You can't get emotionally invested in a film if you know theyre going to win no matter what is thrown at them. There's no drama, just cool fight scenes. And even the fight scenes become one-sided.
You can still have this if you have Batman be a badass, but just make make the enemies/situations/numbers stronger.

I personally don't have an issue with Baleman's badass level though; for the most part I thought the fight scenes were totally powerful and badass.

(other than the scene where he gets caught in a net, gets chewed up by dogs, and almost gets beat to defeated by a crazy clown..... That complaint I totally understand).

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BTAS would sometimes have him get overpowered by a few random goons.

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You can still have this if you have Batman be a badass, but just make make the enemies/situations/numbers stronger.

I personally don't have an issue with Baleman's badass level though; for the most part I thought the fight scenes were totally powerful and badass.

(other than the scene where he gets caught in a net, gets chewed up by dogs, and almost gets beat to defeated by a crazy clown..... That complaint I totally understand).
I think some people expect Batman to clear a room of goons using various, inventive strategies with relative ease.

A couple scenes like that would go a long way.

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You can still have this if you have Batman be a badass, but just make make the enemies/situations/numbers stronger.

I personally don't have an issue with Baleman's badass level though; for the most part I thought the fight scenes were totally powerful and badass.

(other than the scene where he gets caught in a net, gets chewed up by dogs, and almost gets beat to defeated by a crazy clown..... That complaint I totally understand).
Sure, but for people to say Bale's Batman wasn't a badass makes me giggle. Id like to know people's definition of badass when Batman is throwing Maroni off a ledge or pounding Bane's face in until he breathes like a little woosy. With the Joker, he had dogs and a net around him, with his equipment malfunctioning, it's perfectly reasonable in that established world for Joker to get the upper hand for a short amount of time.

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Sure, but for people to say Bale's Batman wasn't a badass makes me giggle. Id like to know people's definition of badass when Batman is throwing Maroni off a ledge or pounding Bane's face in until he breathes like a little woosy. With the Joker, he had dogs and a net around him, with his equipment malfunctioning, it's perfectly reasonable in that established world for Joker to get the upper hand for a short amount of time.
In BTAS is was the way he did these things that made it so impressive.

Not only did he make it look easy but there was also an aura of shadowy mystique.

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I say the first film should be loosely based on Night Of The Owls

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Old 07-05-2013, 02:47 PM   #421
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A month ago i would say yes why not although i don't think using the new 52 is very wise. But after rereading Snyder's New 52 run multiple times....meh...it's not as good as you made yourself think it is while reading it in issues or first time in trade.

His Mr Freeze annual is fantastic, first 3 Court of Owls issues great but damn lots of missed potential and he tries so hard to be a fusion of Nolan and Morrison that it's not even fun anymore. I still can't believe that nobody died in Death of the Family and while i did like the story it dragged a bit and it was very unticlimactic. His Clayface issues were fun and i liked that. Snyder is a great writer but i don't know how to feel about his new 52 Batmna stuff.

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:10 PM   #422
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Sure, but for people to say Bale's Batman wasn't a badass makes me giggle. Id like to know people's definition of badass when Batman is throwing Maroni off a ledge or pounding Bane's face in until he breathes like a little woosy. With the Joker, he had dogs and a net around him, with his equipment malfunctioning, it's perfectly reasonable in that established world for Joker to get the upper hand for a short amount of time.
Badass isn't just punching people. Yes, Bale's Batman won some fights, but it always seemed to be emotional and it was usually against people weaker than him (Flass, Crane, Maroni, Joker, a depowered Bane). That's not badass, that's just a violent hissy fit. By contrast, BTAS Batman, even when in a seemingly inescapable deathtrap, would still stare down his captors and mess with their minds, never showing fear even if he had no idea what the hell was going on. That's not "unbeatable", that's being a professional.

If I'm not expressing myself clear enough, I think this video sums up my position pretty well:

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:38 PM   #423
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^^^Damn, homie.

That was the best 3rd post I ever did see.

I hope you stay around the forums for a while.

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Old 07-07-2013, 05:52 AM   #424
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I just want WB to leave Nolan's Bat trilogy alone, start with a new young Bruce Wayne, show his extensive training, and a better trained, equipped, intelligent detective Batman this time.

No to continuation of Nolan Bat-verse, No to John Blake as Batman.

Reboot !

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Not another origin story, please, for the love of all that is good in this world.

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