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Old 07-03-2013, 05:01 PM   #376
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This. It's as simple as that. And really, they already created an explanation for it with Aldrich Killian's "Brain Slot" theory that humans weren't "finished" and were destined to evolve again.

Pietro and Wanda would be that next evolution.
then why bother having Peter bitten by a spider?

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Old 07-03-2013, 05:19 PM   #377
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He's talking about the association with the X-Men when there really isnt much, his comparison in that is legitimate.
the association is with Magneto; not the X-Men.

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No problem, it's all good... Unless you were born and raised in an English-speaking country--in which case, shame on your teachers! =)

I like the High Evolutionary idea, especially since it's actually part of QS/SW's origin story in the comics and an entity known as The Other already exists in the MCU. It brings in a neat villain and it also ties to Thanos.

Making them actual Inhumans would have a huge effect on that future movie, and a pretty sharp change from their characters in the comics.

Exactly. I'm on board with High Evolutionary. I think he'll be the most visible "villain" in TA2, and he's creating an army (well, at least a small team) of "supervillains" to attack the Avengers. Probably a team called The Masters (of evil). And Hi-Ev is working with Thanos via some kind of telepathic linkage, just as Thanos used Loki in TA1.

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then why bother having Peter bitten by a spider?
Because that's a part of his character?

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Oh My God, Avengers 2 will be a disaster!
Joss has no idea what he's doing, so after The Avengers, now he's an idiot!
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch is HUGE mistake!
He has no idea how to make this work!
And Chris Evans will be way too small!

And, in case you don't know, I'm joking.

I have complete and utter faith in Joss. He IS THE MAN!

Let him do his thing, which he is great at, and let us all enjoy it.

He's earned our trust. He says he's got some great ideas for A2, and I can't wait to see it, but let's trust his vision.

My only complaint is having to wait until 2015 for A2.

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Old 07-04-2013, 08:07 AM   #381
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you're not getting me. of course they can take shooting arrows without looking. there's nothing science fiction-y about a bow and arrow. a marksman's skill doesn't need explanation unless the projectiles are defying the laws of gravity; like in Wanted.

super-soldier serum is an explanation. they spent a good chunk of the movie introducing it. why? because they couldn't just have Steve walk into a room and out with powers. they even set it up in the incredible hulk movie.

and Thor didn't just pop out of nowhere. they introduced his realm. they explained that he's a "god." that's why he can do what he does.
Okay, you obviously care about power origins far more than I do. Are you suggesting that movies should spend precious screentime explaining how every characters' powers came about? The Incredibles must have killed you.

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then why bother having Peter bitten by a spider?
What has Peter Parker got to do with the Extremis or anything else in the Marvel Cinematic Universe? There is no connection at all. His origin is explained in his own movies, produced by Sony. And if you missed the last one, the radioactive spider bite wasn't even the cause of his powers. They changed it to some muddled BS about his father's experiments at Oscorp.

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Okay, you obviously care about power origins far more than I do. Are you suggesting that movies should spend precious screentime explaining how every characters' powers came about? The Incredibles must have killed you.
this isn't as hard as you're making it. the Incredibles started mid-action. right out the gate, they established the Incredibles universe as one in which having superpowers is not that strange. the world was littered with supeheroes; none of whom were given much of a spotlight or origin.

the Avengers takes place in a universe similar to our own. people having super powers is weird to your average marvel civilian. they've only now learned that they aren't alone in the universe. and they've put some effort into introducing the individual players and their origins. no one has just come out nowhere. it has nothing but comic books in common with the Incredibles. and, yes, i think how a character becomes something greater than human is precious information. it can be as simple as "product of a black market super soldier project." but it needs to be there.

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What has Peter Parker got to do with the Extremis or anything else in the Marvel Cinematic Universe? There is no connection at all. His origin is explained in his own movies, produced by Sony. And if you missed the last one, the radioactive spider bite wasn't even the cause of his powers. They changed it to some muddled BS about his father's experiments at Oscorp.
am i speaking over your head? i brought up spider-man because the poster i was replying to is a very obvious Spider-man fan. he/she didn't seem to understand why Pietro or Wanda's origins mattered. i countered with the spider bite. his/her response was "it's part of his origin." why doesn't this make sense to you? you all are saying that it's not important to explain why they have powers. i'm demonstrating that it's what is expected. they explained why Peter has powers. it doesn't matter if some of the facts were altered. they still explained it!

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Because that's a part of his character?
being the children of a mutant terrorist and/or being former mutant terrorists in need of redemption is a part of their characters. there's a lot of wiggle room on how they present it. but it would be stupid to just have them appear without any explanation, imo.

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am i speaking over your head? i brought up spider-man because the poster i was replying to is a very obvious Spider-man fan. he/she didn't seem to understand why Pietro or Wanda's origins mattered. i countered with the spider bite. his/her response was "it's part of his origin." why doesn't this make sense to you? you all are saying that it's not important to explain why they have powers. i'm demonstrating that it's what is expected. they explained why Peter has powers. it doesn't matter if some of the facts were altered. they still explained it!
This is the film universe, not the comics universe. Whedon will obviously have to change some things that were in the comics in order to adapt the characters for the films. Marvel cannot use the mutant angle or Magneto as Wanda & Pietro's father, a fact that has been repeated in this thread ad nauseam. Do you understand the concept of adaptation, or has that gone completely over your head? I'm curious because you appear to expect the films to slavishly follow the comics when that has never been the case.

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This is the film universe, not the comics universe. Whedon will obviously have to change some things that were in the comics in order to adapt the characters for the films. Marvel cannot use the mutant angle or Magneto as Wanda & Pietro's father, a fact that has been repeated in this thread ad nauseam. Do you understand the concept of adaptation, or has that gone completely over your head? I'm curious because you appear to expect the films to slavishly follow the comics when that has never been the case.
you clearly must be responding to someone else.

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Okay, Walter White.

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Personally, I'm wondering how Whedon is going to juggle 8 main Avengers with a main villain and other supporting characters.

One way could be to cut back the level of interaction with SHIELD. They're already going to be prominent in Cap 2, and they'll have a network TV Show. This sequel can just focus on the Avengers for the most part.

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That's what I figured/am hoping for. We won't need them so much this time around, unless the story really demands for it.

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Yeah I can see Shield kind of folding under after Cap2, seems like they might be heavily disrupted and probably out of action for Avengers2. Which brings up the question of who or what brings the team together this time.

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I also likes me some High Evolutionary! That would work great as well.
They could go as far as having them being the Frank's kids, yet one way or another ending up at the mercy of the High Evo. at an early age.
Y'know, summer camp on Wungador Mt. Something.

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Yeah I can see Shield kind of folding under after Cap2, seems like they might be heavily disrupted and probably out of action for Avengers2. Which brings up the question of who or what brings the team together this time.
No clue on what might bring them together, but I'd love to see Cap be the one to do the "assembling" this time.

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Personally, I'm wondering how Whedon is going to juggle 8 main Avengers with a main villain and other supporting characters.

One way could be to cut back the level of interaction with SHIELD. They're already going to be prominent in Cap 2, and they'll have a network TV Show. This sequel can just focus on the Avengers for the most part.
The Lord of the Rings does it with more characters than that.

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No clue on what might bring them together, but I'd love to see Cap be the one to do the "assembling" this time.
Yes please, I hap they start moving Cap to the forefront more now so that by A3 he's the leader we've always known him to be.

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I have a hard time believing Steve will be able to get a hold of Thor. I'm sure they could find a way to pull it off but I think it'll probably be Nick Fury again.

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I have no doubt it'll be an event on Earth that is far too big for any of the Avengers to ignore. It'll have to be something serious enough for Thor to return to Earth and something that will force Tony into building a new suit and getting Stark Tower/Avengers Mansion up and running. I think we need to ask ourselves how Thor gets back into the game?

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We have to see TDW first in order to have any leads on that.

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Yes please, I hap they start moving Cap to the forefront more now so that by A3 he's the leader we've always known him to be.
Hell, I don't see why they won't do that in TA2. He came into his own in TA1, so I'm expecting him to be that leader in the sequel.

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Also, seeing as how some are on the topic of Avengers 2 villains, I want to see one of the following: High Evolutionary, Michael Korvac or Thanos.

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I have a hard time believing Steve will be able to get a hold of Thor. I'm sure they could find a way to pull it off but I think it'll probably be Nick Fury again.
SHIELD gonna light up the Thor signal?

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