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Old 07-21-2013, 02:59 PM   #101
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So Whedon has stated Ultron is created from the existing Avengers? That confirms it then, its all about the Stark.
That doesn't mean it's all about him. You guys are so fickle. One day you're talking about how Marvel is awesome and as soon as something doesn't go the way you expected because "comic purity" Marvel sucks. How about you guys trust in Whedon and remember he's the reason all of this is possible in the first place. And THINK about why he would be doing this....BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.

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Unless Wright decides to speed **** up, they're gonna just go ahead and have Stark be Ultron's maker. They want to do this storyline and Disney has no plans on waiting.
Disney/Marvel is probably going to push Ant-Man forward a bit if they don't want it getting destroyed by Bond.

I think Whedon isn't a fan the characters. The Avengers he picks are the ones he liked as a kid or enjoys writing. Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Wasp and Tigra are characters he said he likes. Also if Edgar is still insistent on keeping Pym an old man he who was Ant-Man back in the 1960s he might not see the point in having him create Ultron.

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We basically know Pym isn´t going to be the creator of Ultron.
This sucks since Pym is supposed to responsible, and the one to hate.

I agree, Stark shouldn´t be the guy to hate.

But what if we´ll not see Stark as the bad guy. Even if he made the AI and it became evil, does the hate have to fall upon him?
What if some other villain was directly responsible for the AI going crazy? Wouldn´t that take the blame of Tony?

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So Whedon has stated Ultron is created from the existing Avengers? That confirms it then, its all about the Stark.
Curious, but where does he say this?

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So what? It's smart business on their part. Helps them make the most money.
Smart business=/=good movies.

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That doesn't mean it's all about him. You guys are so fickle. One day you're talking about how Marvel is awesome and as soon as something doesn't go the way you expected because "comic purity" Marvel sucks. How about you guys trust in Whedon and remember he's the reason all of this is possible in the first place. And THINK about why he would be doing this....BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.
Some people are just never happy no matter what. They could keep everything completely comic accurate and there would still be complaints about something. Bet you a million bucks.

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So what? It's smart business on their part. Helps them make the most money.
I hate that Wolverine is Fox's main character. There are so many amazing X-Men. Ditto for The Avengers.

Excuse me for my priority not being lining their pockets with benjamins.

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Stark creating Ultron? Makes sense to me within this universe. I will never get why people are so afraid of change itself.

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That doesn't mean it's all about him. You guys are so fickle. One day you're talking about how Marvel is awesome and as soon as something doesn't go the way you expected because "comic purity" Marvel sucks. How about you guys trust in Whedon and remember he's the reason all of this is possible in the first place. And THINK about why he would be doing this....BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.
No, I've always hated the MCU being Starkcentric. Being a Cap fan I've always been annoyed by Stark always being front and center.

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I hate that Wolverine is Fox's main character. There are so many amazing X-Men. Ditto for The Avengers.

Excuse me for my priority not being lining their pockets with benjamins.
Well then excuse them for their decisions on what characters to put front and center don't line up with what you want.You complain yet I'm sure you've seen all the films regardless, so either way your money is going their way.

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To be fair I don't think people are complaining that much or being hard on Marvel. I've heard people call for boycotts and say how certain changes have ruined the character in discussions about some superhero movies.

If you recent joiners think this is backlash then you ain't seen nothing yet

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No, I've always hated the MCU being Starkcentric. Being a Cap fan I've always been annoyed by Stark always being front and center.
Thing is, it's not gonna change so yep. You can still hate it, I'm just saying that's how it is.

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No, I've always hated the MCU being Starkcentric. Being a Cap fan I've always been annoyed by Stark always being front and center.
I totally thought A2 would be the right time to start weaning us off of Stark. Since it very well could be RDJ's last. They need to start emphasizing the spotlight on other heroes.

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No, I've always hated the MCU being Starkcentric. Being a Cap fan I've always been annoyed by Stark always being front and center.
How about we wait and see how Ultron is actually created? Tony might not do it alone, THE ENTIRE TEAM may have a hand in creating Ultron.

Also, in the end, all of this rage is based on the assumption that Hank Pym will be a big character in the MCU one day....an assumption that's completely unfounded and contradicts what Wright has said about his Ant-Man treatment in the past.

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I totally thought A2 would be the right time to start weaning us off of Stark. Since it very well could be RDJ's last. They need to start emphasizing the spotlight on other heroes.
he's signed on for A2 and A3

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Well then excuse them for their decisions on what characters to put front and center don't line up with what you want.You complain yet I'm sure you've seen all the films regardless, so either way your money is going their way.
Maybe. I haven't paid to see an X-Men film since X3...

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he's signed on for A2 and A3
ah. well, point still stands.

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There is no confirmation yet that Stark creates Ultron just yet. It seems likely that he is the one who builds it but for all we know he might not.

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Stark creating Ultron? Makes sense to me within this universe. I will never get why people are so afraid of change itself.
So, if they completely changed Superman's origin but it made sense within the universe you would be ok with it?

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So now the whole "it's personal" thing comes into play. This **** happens because of the Pandora's Box Stark decides to open.

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I think all they need to do is this:

Fury: "Stark we need a way to catch the MoE and the Maximoffs. What is that?"
Stark: "It's the chassis I built to house the artificial intelligence program originally designed by Dr. Henry Pym. Designed to seek out and eliminate threats before they happen."
Fury: "You're a badmother ****er. What's it called?"
Stark: "Pym originally called it Ultron, I was thinking about calling it Mrs. Jarvis"

And then some evil guys capture it and install the Gem of Power and it's eyes light up red and it goes crazy.
End scene.

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Maybe. I haven't paid to see an X-Men film since X3...
Well your money not going towards origins is completely understandable. But by your logic it doesn't make sense why you didn't go see first class. An Xmen film that DIDN'T revolve around Wolverine. Seems to me from what you tell me tht would have been a movie you'd been wanting to see haha. You're just confusing man.

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Thinking about it... Joss' comments on how the current team affect Ultron and how it changes makes me think that Hank could have created Ultron and that it has been a thing for a while now, he's just not in the movie. Then the team manage to do something to it (perhaps something to do with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? Joss said they'd be causing trouble) that makes it go rogue...

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is it so relevant who creates an ai robot goin on a rampage? it wont change ultron as a character.

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I could see the World Council creating an Ultron army based off Tony Stark's AI Jarvis and Armours as a response to the threat from Alien, super-powered beings, the avengers which they can't control and the fact shield are possibly infiltrated/corrupted in CA:WS.

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So, if they completely changed Superman's origin but it made sense within the universe you would be ok with it?
Lets be honest...everyone's origin in Avengers/MCU was changed

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