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Old 07-21-2013, 09:37 PM   #76
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Seriously, where is this pic of Ultron from? It's awesome.
Just some fan art by a talented digital artist. It's originally the Ironman Mark II

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Old 07-21-2013, 10:21 PM   #77
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Here's what I think may happen re: Ultron in A2:

Robert Redford's SHIELD character decided to start making machines that can replace Avengers in the future, called Project Ultron. He tapped the brillant scientist Dr. Pym to develop the machines, and he created the program and personality of Ultron. However, he failed to create the right robotic body for Ultron so Redford's character turned to Stark for help, and lied to him about the whole project. Stark is no longer Iron Man so he lent his help, and created the body (but not face) of Ultron. Pym added the face later. Ultron went rogue and Stark felt guilty, so he designed a new armor and become Iron Man once again, to help Avengers to take down Ultron. Pym's story will continue in Ant Man.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:20 PM   #78
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Don't think it will happen because Joss has said in no uncertain terms now that Hank Pym will NOT be making Ultron and that he will be an invention of the current Avengers.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:32 PM   #79
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Random thought: do we know that the Clean Slate protocol really destroyed all the armors... "I'm sorry, Sir, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Alternately, I once suggested that if AIM is still around, well, they had access to the War Machine/Iron Patriot armor.

But more importantly, the question we should be asking is what kinds of personal links would Ultron have to Avengers other than Tony? If it involved Asgardian destroyer tech, that would get Thor involved. With Winter Soldier's cybernetic arm, maybe there could be some kind of link to Cap there? Though WS is said to have a big set up for A:AoU at the end, so I guess we'll have to see what that is. Widow and Hawkeye are SHIELD agents, so not hard to get them involved... But what about Banner?

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Old 07-22-2013, 02:37 AM   #80
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I want this Ultron:


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Dude we have enough internet porn to usher in programming for the next century.

Also the armors aren't some super duper rare creations. Tony has the blue prints for all of them. It's not like Thors hammer of Caps, Shield.

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:33 AM   #81
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Guys, what if Tony Stark builds Ultron from the tech left behind by the Destroyer from Thor? That way, it ties in more with the entire MCU. As for Winter Soldier, I'm sure whatever will happen there leads directly into the environment where Ultron has to be built, or something along those lines...maybe.

I dunno, either way, I was never a Hank Pym fan, so the fact he's not in the film leaves me ambivalent at best.

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Guys, what if Tony Stark builds Ultron from the tech left behind by the Destroyer from Thor? That way, it ties in more with the entire MCU. As for Winter Soldier, I'm sure whatever will happen there leads directly into the environment where Ultron has to be built, or something along those lines...maybe.

I dunno, either way, I was never a Hank Pym fan, so the fact he's not in the film leaves me ambivalent at best.
I donīt think thatīs possible really. To much magic about it. Stark wonīt be able to make sense of it.

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Old 07-22-2013, 11:33 AM   #83
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Its funny to what I have read on other forums and everyone going ape-nuts outraged at the fact that Pym is not building Ultron

Most of the viewers of MCU are the GA, they make most of the % than us. And they don't know who built Ultron on the comics, they just want to see the movie like most of us. Just deal with the fact that it will more likely be Stark building Ultron and it will have a diffrent "origin" from the comics. Just like Mandarin/Killian. MCU doesn't follow the comics as it if were gospel. Saying that, I was surprised at the announcement of Ultron for Avengers 2, I really thought Marvel was going the route of MoE (It was already stated that Thanos was not going to be in Avengers 2, which is good, he is the BADDEST and should be hyped up more). I am really looking forward for this movie!!!

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Old 07-22-2013, 11:36 AM   #84
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Random thought: do we know that the Clean Slate protocol really destroyed all the armors... "I'm sorry, Sir, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Alternately, I once suggested that if AIM is still around, well, they had access to the War Machine/Iron Patriot armor.

But more importantly, the question we should be asking is what kinds of personal links would Ultron have to Avengers other than Tony? If it involved Asgardian destroyer tech, that would get Thor involved. With Winter Soldier's cybernetic arm, maybe there could be some kind of link to Cap there? Though WS is said to have a big set up for A:AoU at the end, so I guess we'll have to see what that is. Widow and Hawkeye are SHIELD agents, so not hard to get them involved... But what about Banner?

Banner knows or will known during the movie that Ultron is a world threat thus him helping out the Avengers or maybe SHIELD just asks for his help.

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I donīt think thatīs possible really. To much magic about it. Stark wonīt be able to make sense of it.
Selvig and Pym maybe? Selvig said the cube was "knowledge" and he's learned so much. Maybe he's learned enough to be able to work with the Destroyer and build Ultron from that and a Stark arc reactor. Something like that.

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Old 07-22-2013, 12:05 PM   #86
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Selvig is an astrophysicist, I don't see him being the one involved. The most likely candidate is Tony as he is the only one shown capable of creating A.I., and the fact that he used to be a weapons manufacturer.

I'm guessing that at one time, Tony had created the project, the government scrapped it, and he took what he had to create Jarvis, based off loving memory of his father's butler growing up. The government stole the plans from Stark and continued their work, and then Ultron was born.

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Old 07-22-2013, 12:11 PM   #87
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I think Tony Stark creates Ultron

One of Tonys new droids that figured out how to think on it's own , kind of a Jarvis 2 with a attitude

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Im guessing the origin will be reworked to make him spawn from Iron Man's tech

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Selvig and Pym maybe? Selvig said the cube was "knowledge" and he's learned so much.
Maybe he's learned enough to be able to work with the Destroyer and build Ultron from that and a Stark arc reactor. Something like that.
I see where this is going

Yes itīs possible since the cosmic cube could contain Asgardian knowledge. We donīt know how Odin got the cube or why he has the IG in his vault.
So thatīs still unclear. As for the energy source, it could be an infinity gem or an arc reactor yes.

Is it possible, yes. Is it likely to happen, no not at all imo.

The thing is that even if Selvig were to get a hold of the knowledge, he could never use it for it takes magic in order to build something like the destroyer. When it comes to powering it you need a lifeforce. Does AIīs count? I donīt think that you can even copy this tech so that you can make something based on the destroyer. An infinitygem + AI + robotic body based on the destroyer might work, but you hear how that sounds!

http://marvel.com/universe/Destroyer_(construct)

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I can't see Tony being the one who creates Ultron, that is, unless, he's done it already.

Tony being involved in Ultron's creation doesn't really fly with the end of IM3. He's already had his paranoid phase of creating as much as he can in anticipation of another disaster happening, and it's a phase he had gotten over by the end of the film.

I'm sure one of Tony's suits will indeed be corrupted; I just don't think Tony himself will be involved in it.

I also think that Tony is at a stage in the MCU where he would be very much aware of the potential dangers of creating such a being. So yeah, I don't think he has the inclination or the arrogance to create Ultron.
I disagree with the last paragraph. You were on to something with IM3. In IM3, it is established that Tony's armors can act remotely as controlled by an AI, without his command. He is not wary of this, moreover, he is startled at night by armor that acts on its own and doesn't respond immediately to commands. His reaction is to remove Pepper from the situation, not to shut anything down.

The only thing the end establishes is that he would not create another suit of armor out of paranoia. If there is a legitimate threat, or any other kind of need for Iron Man to appear... why not automated? After all, he's over that, he has no need to hop in a suit and go and save the day himself. He's very comfortable solving whatever the problem is with just his mind. Very comfortable letting JARVIS handle the details.

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I disagree with the last paragraph. You were on to something with IM3. In IM3, it is established that Tony's armors can act remotely as controlled by an AI, without his command. He is not wary of this, moreover, he is startled at night by armor that acts on its own and doesn't respond immediately to commands. His reaction is to remove Pepper from the situation, not to shut anything down.

The only thing the end establishes is that he would not create another suit of armor out of paranoia. If there is a legitimate threat, or any other kind of need for Iron Man to appear... why not automated? After all, he's over that, he has no need to hop in a suit and go and save the day himself. He's very comfortable solving whatever the problem is with just his mind. Very comfortable letting JARVIS handle the details.
I think the conclusion of the final battle refutes this idea. JARVIS attempted to kill Pepper and Tony was powerless to stop it because he lost the headset. An event like that would surely say to him that he needs to be in complete control of a singular armor. Destroying the remaining armors and affirming that he is Iron Man solidifies that.

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Do you guys realize that Paul Bettany could be voicing Ultron then?

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^I wouldn't be so sure. The popular opinion seems to be that Tony Stark has a hand in creating Ultron, but I get the nagging feeling that Whedon isn't going to go that route. I'm expecting the unexpected with this one; I doubt Ultron's origin will be as obvious as everyone thinks.

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I think the conclusion of the final battle refutes this idea. JARVIS attempted to kill Pepper and Tony was powerless to stop it because he lost the headset. An event like that would surely say to him that he needs to be in complete control of a singular armor. Destroying the remaining armors and affirming that he is Iron Man solidifies that.
I disagree that it would surely say such a thing. There are several solutions to that problem, only one of which is complete control of a singular armor, which he is motivated not to do now. He destroyed all the armors, not the 'extra' ones, it affirmed that he, without the armor, is Iron Man, not that he would now operate using a singular armor again.

Me personally, I took it that he's liable to create *anything* to solve the problems at hand. He has no limits because he's not tied to a suit of armor.

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What's Ultron going to be made of in the MCU? Clearly not Adamantium, as that is with Fox. But that is one of his distinct characteristics where he needs a molecular rearranger as well which Scarlet Witch has hexed on many an occasion to defeat him. Vibranium perhaps? Or Destroyer armour material? Chitauri tech?

I hope he looks like classic Ultron. Marvel Legends once tried redesigning classic Ultron, first with a dog head and then with something only casually resembling the classic look and both failed terribly. Neither looked anywhere as good as the tried and true design.

And yet Whedon says that they will have to make changes because classic Ultron only has one expression (the iconic butterfly/ jack-o-lantern mouth with the crackling energy).

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Vibranium seems like the right move.

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Yeah. Unless Jackman gets what he wants. He said himself that he wanted to a part of A2. I know and agree that the chances of him being in the movie are extremely low. So yeah itīs going to be PB and vibranium.

But if Ultron went for the adamantium, letīs say Fox made a deal with em, where could he find it and could wolverine be involved?

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Age of Ulvis.

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I think the conclusion of the final battle refutes this idea. JARVIS attempted to kill Pepper and Tony was powerless to stop it because he lost the headset. An event like that would surely say to him that he needs to be in complete control of a singular armor. Destroying the remaining armors and affirming that he is Iron Man solidifies that.
Exactly. Tony's been shocked already at what his creations are capable of to the point where he turned them into a firework show at the end of IM3.

He clearly feels that they are no longer need, and that they aren't the solution to whatever threats await the world in the future. So there really is no logical reason for him to mess around with an even more advanced AI.

If Tony's involved with Ultron, it'll be indirectly i.e. someone has taken his technology.

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Yeah. Unless Jackman gets what he wants. He said himself that he wanted to a part of A2. I know and agree that the chances of him being in the movie are extremely low. So yeah itīs going to be PB and vibranium.

But if Ultron went for the adamantium, letīs say Fox made a deal with em, where could he find it and could wolverine be involved?
Seriously ..... stop trying to derail the conversation with this nonsense. Stick to what we know of the MCU. Discussing Jackman's hard-on to be in A2 or a hypothetical deal with Fox is absolutely pointless.

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