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Old 07-11-2013, 05:46 PM   #26
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It's pretty sad that a Superman movie has been made with a tone that is considered not inspiring or optimistic, but that's a whole other discussion. At the very least I feel the Williams theme would have fit during the flying practice scene. That COULD have been epic.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:24 PM   #27
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What with all the conspiracy theories and anti-government sentimentality going around, it wouldn't surprise me if that mentality was heightened, that because governments would remain suspicious and paranoid regarding him, the general (and I mean general, not all) population embraces him almost in spite. Kinda like "we don't trust our 'leaders' so we'll embrace someone THEY don't trust".

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Old 07-13-2013, 04:32 PM   #28
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What with all the conspiracy theories and anti-government sentimentality going around, it wouldn't surprise me if that mentality was heightened, that because governments would remain suspicious and paranoid regarding him, the general (and I mean general, not all) population embraces him almost in spite. Kinda like "we don't trust our 'leaders' so we'll embrace someone THEY don't trust".
Nice idea - bit like Snowden now...
Kal El is a refugee here, but does nothing but good... or at least, tries too, regardless of who frames him

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Old 07-13-2013, 04:32 PM   #29
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MOS follow up

Based 6 months after MOS

World coming to terms with Alien disclosure – we are not alone.

Governments set up new space projects, using kryptonian tech as their basis – defense systems are toyed with – huge political debates about what the bigger picture is now.

Superman has appeared in public, at times to rescue civilians, other times to help rebuild the city, under night fall, as in the morning, large areas of rubble removed, frame work appear and bricks lined up good to go – but public still unsure.

Life is moving on.

Plot
Daily Planet - Lois/Clark relationship main story – how they maintain his identity, their relationship – at work, what they report for planet – seeing Clark integrated with society. They see the world from both sides of the superman argument.
Politically,It’s all talk of more super human’s – as past conspiracies and urban legends are fully investigated across the globe – everything is scrutinized or at least, has more weight behind it now. Atlantis, Roswell, Ancient alien theory.
Two incidents occur that make Superman take action – a failed lunar mission and a confrontation against lexcorp after one of lexcorp’s ‘soldiers’ goes rogue (Metallo).

Finally, the equilibrium is restored – Superman is near fully accepted, we have seen how Clark lives in Metropolis, his relationship not only with Lois, but with staff around him (jimmy) the start of Lex’s fall from grace (set up for the third film) – the introduction of other characters to set up a solo justice league.

Sub plot 1
(flash backs through the journal of prof Hamilton given to lois by the conspiricist) Roswell – actually happened, but times were ‘different’ back then and the alien onboard was taken away and believed dead – the craft was reversed engineered and modern tech is from this – some governments fractions are aware of this – but also not knowing one actually survived and escaped – a shape shifter, he is actually alive and well, having worked his way into S.T.A.R labs, under the name of j’onn j’onnz only revealing his identity with Prof Hamilton. The reason for this, to develop earth technology so that he could one day find a way back home and defeat the beast Darkseid that destroyed his race.


Sub plot 2
Lex, hugely political figure is against Superman and is contracted (lexcorp) to set up a defense under the guise of research on ‘super humans/aliens’ – from this we get kryptonite – the fuel source from the world machine is harvested, discovered to have adverse reaction on Kryptonian DNA- new metal created from it - as well as failed hybrid species using Zod’s DNA.

Kryptonite bullets and combat gear created –Lex secretly creates false flags to further his agenda, making false claims through media manipulation that a hybrid beast lives off the coast of America, in the oceans – attacking trawlers, fishermen and marine life. He’s fusing the legend of aqua man and his own hybrid creation to make out his army have caught the beast. It is displayed to the world and prompts the public to take his side.

Lex also sabotages a space mission, live on CNN, to see if the kryptonite laced shuttle will effect Superman – it indeed does – but also for Brice Rogers onboard, turning him into an almost zombie like state after over exposure – a nasty confrontation occurs on the moon, in the craft – all this is recorded on CNN, maybe not all shown due to sensitive footgae, but this is leaked to the public in an act of deception that makes matters worse for Superman.

Finally, with lexcorp producing NSA style patrols, one of the Soldiers, John Corben goes AWOL and causes devastation in Metropolis, looking and beckoning for superman to appear. Lex personally appears to ‘save grace’ it back fires and when Corben takes a child hostage, Superman appears to save the day, making matters worse for Lex and helping the public’s opinion of superman.



End Credits – superman wating on a roof top, a growl of ‘we need to talk’ is heard, Superman turns to see Batman, emerging from the shadows.

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Old 07-13-2013, 06:37 PM   #30
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Honestly, I think the biggest hurdle is, in Snyder's own words, how do you top MOS in terms of jeopardy? Superman already saved the world from total destruction. How do you top that? Either you could have the main conflict be more personal and psychological, the way TDK upped the ante on BB, or Snyder just blows more **** up. I'd like to see some character, like Lex, really try to destroy Superman from the inside out and turn the world against him. A plot like the Everyman Project could do that. Unfortunately I think Snyder will just blow more **** up.

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Old 07-14-2013, 10:50 AM   #31
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Right.You can also add The Incredible Hulk using the "Lonely Man" theme from the TV series.The Lone Ranger also is uniquely tied to the William Tell Overture.Can't have him without it.

Problem is,the Williams theme is too inspiring and optimistic for the tone of MOS.It'd stick out like a sore thumb.
I strongly disagree, the new score is optimistic and inspiring. It just doesn't shout it at your face that the big hero is going to save the Fing day. The MOS theme inspires in a different way. It keeps urging Superman to go beyond himself. It urges him to push beyond his limits. It says that in the crowd is the hero and he's going to get him and everyone else to fly.

Mos though is all about how this stuff isn't easy though. CR Superman never had to deal with being different as Superman. Yeah he got bullied as a kid but his inability to get Lana and such was his own damn fault(and her poor choice in men).

The movie just says that you gotta earn trust and love and it wont just be handed to you because you can fly.



Jimmy I think shouldn't be some dork who can't stand for himself. If Jimmy was actually teen then I could buy him being a little skiddish(and hey maybe he should be an actual teen intern). But if he's like 24......no. I sorta like the earth one Jimmy who has that youth and adventureness missing from Clark and co but he's still grounded as being somewhat mature young man. This guy could hold down a job and has so much potential. The only thing in his way that he has to survive living in the DC universe.

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Old 07-14-2013, 06:23 PM   #32
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Wow! I really am not a favorite of many of these suggestions that basically say MOS itself didn't work.

I'd want
(1) the same team keeping up the quality and feel and telling the next leg of the story.
(2) Just tell a good story don't try to outdo the last film.
(3) keep up the good solid real person feel of Clark
(4) do not turn Lois into a strident ineffective obnoxious person like Margot Kidder's version for example and keep their excellent connection.
(5) If you have Luthor use him as a manipulator behind the scenes and make sure there's a villain that can challenge Superman physically while you also find a way to challenge him emotionally again.

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Old 07-14-2013, 06:24 PM   #33
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Honestly, I think the biggest hurdle is, in Snyder's own words, how do you top MOS in terms of jeopardy? Superman already saved the world from total destruction. How do you top that? Either you could have the main conflict be more personal and psychological, the way TDK upped the ante on BB, or Snyder just blows more **** up. I'd like to see some character, like Lex, really try to destroy Superman from the inside out and turn the world against him. A plot like the Everyman Project could do that. Unfortunately I think Snyder will just blow more **** up.

So many movies make this mistake. Don't try to top it. Just keep up the quality and tell a good exciting story.

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Old 07-15-2013, 07:00 PM   #34
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from what i can tell with all of these conflicting (yet sometimes great) ideas...MOS2 will be like MOS1...many will love it, and many will be disappointed because it's not what they expected or didn't have what they wanted in it lol

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Old 07-15-2013, 08:51 PM   #35
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Why would anyone want to change the score? Hans Zimmer's is amazing.

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Old 07-22-2013, 01:41 AM   #36
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Why would anyone want to change the score? Hans Zimmer's is amazing.
Zimmer's score is garbage. This video is proof Williams' score could have fit spectacularly well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmfAj...ature=youtu.be


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Old 07-22-2013, 07:19 AM   #37
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Consequences

Superman is going to have to face up to the widespread destruction he and Zod caused in Metropolis. By the time the movie ended a large portion of the city was basically a smoking crater, and Clark is the nly person left to answer for that.
This is good though, because it provides the absolute perfect bandwagon to Luthor to base his anti-Superman platform on.
Speaking of which:

Lex Luthor

Nolan/Goyer superhero movies are very fond of allegory and analogy. This is perfect for a character like Lex who should be the in-movie embodiment of the anti-immigration right wing pundits that we see so often in the media these days. Although, charming and much, much more intelligent than anyone really knows.
Oh yeah. and his power armour. Let's make that happen. He could build it from Zod's (the way I see Luthor in this, there's no way he hadnt retrieved Zod's body and wasn't halfway through conducting an autopsy on him like the day after Superman killed him.)
The way I see it, MoS' Luthor doesnt have to run for president. He can pick up the phone and have the president run for him.

Character-building

Okay, this is important. MOS collected together the best cast of the summer season... and then gave none of them much of anything to do.
Out of everyone, let's have Lois and Clark actually get to know each other. Do they date? If so, where? What do they do? How does Lois feel about his dual heritage/identities? Is that a problem for them? etc, etc.
A good way to do this is to:

Put some distance between movies

Pick up the second movie a year or two after MOS. Do this for a few reasons.
First, it'll do a lot of the heavy lifting in regards to setting up Superman as Metropolis' established legendary protector.
Second, it'll do a lot to redeeming the destruction he caused if the movie begins in a shining 'city of tomorrow' Metropolis that we're told early in Superman worked day and night to rebuild.
It'll also be a way around having to set the movie in the wasteland MOS left it in.

No Justice League tie-ins

Just... just don't.
Excellent post. Although now, with the Batman announcement, we'll probably be making a step towards JL. Still, it's better than an IM2 scenario.

What happened in MoS needs to be addressed, though, no doubt about it. Goyer needs to f**kin' pull it together, he messed up real big with MoS.

Oh, and ffs, keep Zimmer.

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Old 07-23-2013, 10:25 AM   #38
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Wasn't sure where to put this and didn't think it warranted it's own thread, but who do you think will cameo (if anyone) in, say, an after/during credit scene?

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