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Old 07-23-2013, 06:57 PM   #1
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Zack Snyder said that Batman v Superman will not be based on The Dark Knight Returns, but will be influenced by it.

Superman at the end of Man of Steel has been established as a strong ally of the US government. In DK Returns, this was also the case, and the US government ordered Superman to take down Batman, a rogue vigilante.

So the next film could work with an older and wiser Batman in his 40s, who, thus far has eluded arrest...

Or a younger Batman, Cavill's age, who has just burst onto the scene.

I have no idea who the villain will be that causes Batman and Superman to join forces together, but I don't see it being Lex Luthor just yet...

I wonder could brainiac make an appearance?

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Old 07-23-2013, 07:02 PM   #2
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-Batman investigates Superman
-They meet, they fight
-Work together to defeat the big baddie
-They become sorta-friends
-Tease JL

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Old 07-23-2013, 07:26 PM   #3
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Bruce Wayne will visit Metropolis for a meeting with Lex Luthor. Will be a decoy for a reconnaissance mission to investigate 'the alien' who is more frequent in Metropolis then anywhere on the planet. (cue detective) and he will deduce his identity as Clark Kent, reporter.

Be lots of Justice League and DC universe easter egg references.

When Batman and Superman do meet for the first time their will be a throw down. Superman doesn't trust Batman because he is a wanted man in Gotham by the police (therefore in Superman's eyes a criminal). Batman doesn't trust Superman because of the alien invasion and his massive threat to planet.

Lex Luthor and Joker will be the villains. Lex Luthor doesn't trust Superman and wants him gone. Hires the Joker and uses scavanged Kryptonian technology to create a gun that shoot Red Solar radiation (weakens Superman).

There will be an explanation as to why nobody recognises Clark Kent as Superman in Metropolis and daily planet.

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Old 07-23-2013, 08:18 PM   #4
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My ideal movie would be Superman is doing a great job in Metropolis, but he is still getting used to the power that come along with his abilities. Batman in Gotham is highly critical of Superman's good intentions and wonders what would happen if he switched sides. Bruce Wayne (Having figured out Superman's identity using high-tech and good old fashioned detective techniques) visits Metropolis under the guise of a business trip. It is here where he learns about Krypton and the effects earth's sun radiation has on the man of steel. He deduces that perhaps a piece of his home planet (synthesized of not) might be enough to reduce Superman's powers. Batman creates kryptonite like in The Dark Knight Returns, and confronts Superman. A fight ensues when Superman mistakingly learns about Batman's plan to beat him, thinking it is a threat rather than an insurance policy. Naturally Batman wins, He has the skill, the smarts and most importantly the kryptonite. Superman learns Batman is on his side when he refuses to kill him and instead offers to be an ally.

I imagine there would be a larger sweeping arch for The Man of Steel himself, but to me at least this is what I would like to see. I'm flexible though and I have all the faith in the world until the movie is actually released.

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Old 07-23-2013, 10:28 PM   #5
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Bruce arrives at Metropolis to help Lex Luthor rebuild the city. Why is he really there? To investigate some of Lex's shenanigans. Just like he did with the meeting with Lau in TDK. Turns out Lex's shenanigans involve killing Supes. Reporter Clark Kent is hot on the story as well. Wayne gives Kent an interview.

-Supes and Bats meet and they discover each others identity.
-"I don't like your style." "Well, I don't like yours!"
-They fight
-They realize the true threat Lex and Joker (please be Joker...please be Joker) are up to some real bad stuff!
-Supes and Bats team up to fight the threat
-"Hey I kind of like you." "Hey I kind of like you!"
-"I was trained by a League of Shadows. They sought to destroy civilization."
-"Maybe we could create a League of Justice to save civilization!"
-"You mean a Justice League?" (turn and wink at camera)

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Old 07-23-2013, 11:27 PM   #6
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Here's my idea for how Batman/Bruce Wayne can fit into this story.

Following the events of MoS, Metropolis is in the process of rebuilding. There are two major competitors bidding on the rebuilding of the city, LexCorp and Wayne Enterprises. Clark is assigned to cover a story about Bruce Wayne and his reasons behind getting involved in Metropolis and the competition with Lex Luthor, who is also leading a public campaign against Superman and blames him for the death and destruction.

During this time, Wayne is having some of his job sites sabotaged and destroyed by Luthors men so our first intro to Batman is him fighting Lex's thugs. Just as the fight is ending, Superman intervenes and Batman and Superman go at it, basically as two alpha males trying to show their dominance. The story progresses to where the two eventually team up as they realize they are fighting for the same ideas but both aren't 100% trusting of each other. But they know they are against Lex Luthor who may team up with another Kryptonian villain (ie Brainiac). At the end, both know they can rely on each other, but still have their reservations about what each other is doing.

I think what we'll see is a story where Clark and Bruce are professionally around each other with Clark eventually deducting that Bruce is Batman by using his x-ray vision to see deep tissue damage from a fight they were in against each other. But I think what we'll see is a Clark Kent meeting Bruce Wayne, and knowing each other first as their non-hero personas.

I think you will see a first act of introducing Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor, a second act of Luthor gaining power and allies (human and alien) with Batman and Superman being at odds with each other, then a 3rd and final act where they finally team up (reluctantly for the most part) to save the day.

I would say in the end it will be 70% Clark/Superman and 30% Bruce/Batman in terms of screen presence and we rarely see Batman or Bruce without Clark Kent/Superman involved.

I don't know, just my two cents on how to put him into the story, keep it Superman centered, but still give enough to introduce a character like Batman for new films and the possible creation of the Justice League.

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Old 07-23-2013, 11:31 PM   #7
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Bruce arrives at Metropolis to help Lex Luthor rebuild the city. Why is he really there? To investigate some of Lex's shenanigans. Just like he did with the meeting with Lau in TDK. Turns out Lex's shenanigans involve killing Supes. Reporter Clark Kent is hot on the story as well. Wayne gives Kent an interview.

-Supes and Bats meet and they discover each others identity.
-"I don't like your style." "Well, I don't like yours!"
-They fight
-They realize the true threat Lex and Joker (please be Joker...please be Joker) are up to some real bad stuff!
-Supes and Bats team up to fight the threat
-"Hey I kind of like you." "Hey I kind of like you!"
-"I was trained by a League of Shadows. They sought to destroy civilization."
-"Maybe we could create a League of Justice to save civilization!"
-"You mean a Justice League?" (turn and wink at camera)
This new Batman isn't going to have had any of the experiences you referenced, as he's not going to be the Batman from Nolan's trilogy.

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Old 07-23-2013, 11:35 PM   #8
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General Zod is revived by Darkseid, and instructed to create the ultimate weapon against Superman and Batman. Zod uses some kryptonite modified in Darkseid's laboratories to revive Bane; it mutates Bane into Doomsday. Batman and Superman must beat Bane and Doomsday.

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Old 07-24-2013, 04:16 AM   #9
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Zack Snyder said that Batman v Superman will not be based on The Dark Knight Returns, but will be influenced by it.

Superman at the end of Man of Steel has been established as a strong ally of the US government. In DK Returns, this was also the case, and the US government ordered Superman to take down Batman, a rogue vigilante.

So the next film could work with an older and wiser Batman in his 40s, who, thus far has eluded arrest...

Or a younger Batman, Cavill's age, who has just burst onto the scene.

I have no idea who the villain will be that causes Batman and Superman to join forces together, but I don't see it being Lex Luthor just yet...

I wonder could brainiac make an appearance?
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:02 AM   #10
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This new Batman isn't going to have had any of the experiences you referenced, as he's not going to be the Batman from Nolan's trilogy.
The Lau thing was just to show that it's in character. That wouldn't actually get referenced. But I see no reason why they could t reference League of Shadows. I'm predicting a "soft reboot" ala James Bond.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:52 AM   #11
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I'm predicting a "soft reboot".
Then you are predicting erroneously. This will be a HARD REBOOT just like Batman Begins was, with absolutely no connections whatsoever - implied or otherwise- to Nolan's trilogy and universe.

This isn't my opinion, BTW; it's stated fact straight from the mouths of the people involved in this project.

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I think, similar to how TDK had the triangle of Batman, Joker and Dent, MOS will have a triangle of Superman, Lex and Bruce.

I also think that similar to how Batman was not the true main protagonist of TDK, he WILL be the main protagonist of BvS because the movie will be more about how the world reacts to Superman's presence on Earth. And I think Bruce will be cast somewhat in the middle between Lex and Superman because he won't trust either of them, but will also need both of them at various points in the story.

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Old 07-24-2013, 01:04 PM   #13
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I would like it if this universe's Batman was trained by League of Assassins (not Shadows, maybe the cleverer members of the GA will get it, if not maybe they'll think it's been part of his history all along).

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