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Old 07-26-2013, 04:13 AM   #201
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In "Ultron Unlimited", which is arguably the best story written about the villain, Ultron massacres an entire European nation via drone assault (tanks and jets) and begins transforming the corpses into robot/zomie hybrids with the goal of creating a "master race" of hybrid organic/synthetic humans. Presumptively, Ultron would use the army to slowly destroy neighboring populations and convert them while spreading across the globe like a plague. This would probably be too dark for Disney though. (Although, this story does focus on Vision, the Scarlet Witch, and Pym).

In the first arc of Mighty Avengers (2007), Ultron attempts to kill the world's population through weather manipulation (natural disasters) created by hacking into Stark statellites meant to stabilize weather patterns. When this plan fails, Ultron begins hacking into nuke bases and launching missiles (ala Skynet in the Terminator series).

In the (terrible) Age of Ultron (2013), Ultron seemingly conquers the planet with an army of robots built in its likeness. How it built such a massive army is not explained.
In Annihilation: Conquest, he interfaced with the mechanical aliens called the Phalanx and took them over.

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Old 07-26-2013, 05:35 AM   #202
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In Avengers #202 (This Evil Undying), Ultron had planted a hypnotic suggestion in Iron Man and forced him to kidnap the Scarlet Witch because she had previously disrupted his adamantium molecular rearranger with her hex powers.

Scarlet always seems to be key in any Ultron story in defeating him.

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Just how powerful is her magic. Give me an example pls ?

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:20 AM   #204
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Just how powerful is her magic. Give me an example pls ?
Read "House of M."
Wanda went bat**** crazy and warped the fabric of reality and spacetime and PERMANENTLY ****ed over the two biggest franchise teams in Marvel history, both the Avengers and the X-Men. After House of M, Scarlet Witch makes Odin and Galactus look like pussies.

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Is she above the strongest skyfather and powercosmic?

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:26 AM   #206
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Just how powerful is her magic. Give me an example pls ?
She makes grown men weak at the knees when she appears in her skimpy gypsy costume.

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Read "House of M."
Wanda went bat**** crazy and warped the fabric of reality and spacetime and PERMANENTLY ****ed over the two biggest franchise teams in Marvel history, both the Avengers and the X-Men. After House of M, Scarlet Witch makes Odin and Galactus look like pussies.
whiich is why I am annoyed by her.

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After house of M.

But I can't take her powers seriously. She is a walking plot device.

Knowing this, and knowing Whedon's love for female heroes, makes me a bit..nervous of Scarlett Witch in the MCU.

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whiich is why I am annoyed by her.



After house of M.

But I can't take her powers seriously. She is a walking plot device.

Knowing this, and knowing Whedon's love for female heroes, makes me a bit..nervous of Scarlett Witch in the MCU.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:32 PM   #209
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I do like the idea, if Wright is still going with an older Pym, of saying that he's the one who began the research into building an advanced AI before it was confiscated by SHIELD at some point in the past. Then jump ahead to the present were either them or the WSC reactivated the project which leads to Ultron. Seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

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All I ask is that Ultron's design elements are unique to him and not barrow from any iron man suits.

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:57 PM   #211
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All I ask is that Ultron's design elements are unique to him and not barrow from any iron man suits.
why? Ultron originally had an ant's head; borrowed from Pym.

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Old 07-26-2013, 08:21 PM   #212
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No, and don't read House of M- it's rubbish.

It's hard to say who powerful she is...I mean, is their a scale for this sort of thing? And of course, there are inconsistencies between different writers. The best way I could describe it is that she's an average to above average mage, with the potential to be a God-like reality warper, should she have access to a power source (which, probably goes any energy manipulator/magic user).

Early on, though, she could only do probability manipulation, which manifested as "hexes". Basically, stuff like making things break spontaneously, ceilings fall through, etc. She also used this to disrupt Ultron's circuitry, thus defeating him:

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No, and don't read House of M- it's rubbish.

It's hard to say who powerful she is...I mean, is their a scale for this sort of thing? And of course, there are inconsistencies between different writers. The best way I could describe it is that she's an average to above average mage, with the potential to be a God-like reality warper, should she have access to a power source (which, probably goes any energy manipulator/magic user).

Early on, though, she could only do probability manipulation, which manifested as "hexes". Basically, stuff like making things break spontaneously, ceilings fall through, etc. She also used this to disrupt Ultron's circuitry, thus defeating him:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...da_attacks.jpg
Ahh okey!

Nah there is no scale ofc. One can always try to estimate

That was an awesome extract btw! Thx.

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Terminator 2 and Star Trek TNG did it pretty well.
So you're suggesting Ultron has a human face? That would definitely change his design quite a bit...

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So you're suggesting Ultron has a human face? That would definitely change his design quite a bit...
Yep. Movies have to make changes to be more realistic (helicarrier design, costume updates, (suit) color changes, etc.) but Ultron's general facial structure has long been defined in the comics as a standard. Changing Ultron's basic design would be like reshaping Cap's shield or making Mjolner (spelling) a sword. Not having Thor where a helmet or changing Hawkeye's color scheme from purple to burgundy is one thing. Completely redesigning Ultron's signature facial structure is a wholly unnecessary change. Giving Ultron a human face (ala I, Robot) would be a disaster. Just my .02.

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Hey, I'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but suddenly had an idea. Been a while since I saw Avengers but wasn't there talk of a "phase 2" that "wasn't ready yet"... maybe phase 2 was Ultron, or something that led to his creation.

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Hey, I'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but suddenly had an idea. Been a while since I saw Avengers but wasn't there talk of a "phase 2" that "wasn't ready yet"... maybe phase 2 was Ultron, or something that led to his creation.
"Phase 2 is SHIELD uses the Tesseract to make weapons," quote from the movie. Although they didn't get too specific about what kinda weapons. I spose I wouldn't rule out SHIELD as maybe partially responsible for Ultron.

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Yep. Movies have to make changes to be more realistic (helicarrier design, costume updates, (suit) color changes, etc.) but Ultron's general facial structure has long been defined in the comics as a standard. Changing Ultron's basic design would be like reshaping Cap's shield or making Mjolner (spelling) a sword. Not having Thor where a helmet or changing Hawkeye's color scheme from purple to burgundy is one thing. Completely redesigning Ultron's signature facial structure is a wholly unnecessary change. Giving Ultron a human face (ala I, Robot) would be a disaster. Just my .02.
thank god, someone else who agrees. I don't want to see a human looking android. I want ****ing Ultron. I don't want to see any physical changes while he speaks and displays emotion, it suggests life, and like...a soul...inside that body...that's scary.

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Hasn't it already been established that he'll have his classic look? That's what was teased in the comic-con teaser.

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Hasn't it already been established that he'll have his classic look? That's what was teased in the comic-con teaser.

that's what I thought, but apparently Whedon said he wants to change the mouth, and popular word of mouth is to ACTUALLY give Ultron facial expressions

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that's what I thought, but apparently Whedon said he wants to change the mouth, and popular word of mouth is to ACTUALLY give Ultron facial expressions
Just putting this out there, but UTRON could have various modes. Like, a more anthropromorphic facial design when in conversation which can transform into a battle mode that is more in line with his comic design. Just a shot in the dark here.

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Yep. Movies have to make changes to be more realistic (helicarrier design, costume updates, (suit) color changes, etc.) but Ultron's general facial structure has long been defined in the comics as a standard. Changing Ultron's basic design would be like reshaping Cap's shield or making Mjolner (spelling) a sword. Not having Thor where a helmet or changing Hawkeye's color scheme from purple to burgundy is one thing. Completely redesigning Ultron's signature facial structure is a wholly unnecessary change. Giving Ultron a human face (ala I, Robot) would be a disaster. Just my .02.
So... you're not suggesting that Ultron has a human face, or you are? I don't understand what you're trying to communicate.

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So... you're not suggesting that Ultron has a human face, or you are? I don't understand what you're trying to communicate.
No. Ultron should retain as much of his classic design as possible. Sometimes changes need to be made to be more "realistic". This isn't one of those times.

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The trailer at SDCC, didnīt it show how he would look with the IM helm turning? Or was it just to show that itīs gonna be ultron?

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people who think he should have a human face in order to emote and therefore be threatening need to watch 2001..............

the whole point of a rogue A.I. is that it is impersonal. it says something about human nature; i.e. there is more to being human than just being conscious/intelligent/rational.

rogue a.i.s are scary because you can't reason with them on an emotional level. adding a face, the place where emotions are demonstrated, therefore makes little sense.

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