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SOMEONE has to be leading WS and his crew
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there is definitely a villain and they're being partially misleading with the black and white thing.
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Might not be a villain. I'm just speculating anyway.
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ehhh then who is it?
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I'm just differentiating between a villain and an antagonist (even if you don't see a difference). Because people are speculating that Robert Redford is somebody from the comics like RS or Lukin or Zemo. I suggested that maybe he's just Aleksander Pierce and he uses his power for morally ambiguous purposes (which may involve TWS). He doesn't necessarily have to be a supervillain.
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I wasn't making that distinction, but with that distinction in mind I agree that it's a possibility..
He could create TWS to meet some end he will try and justify |
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He's the red skull!!
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But I also think there is going to be a villain, RR or not. Not having a tangible villain is way too risky, especially for a superhero movie. I think Marvel will play this safe and give us someone concrete to root against, although hopefully we'll get some twists along the way.
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Well, that's my point. They do play it safe. It's served them well so far. I don't think they're going to change that.
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For that to work, Pierce would've had to have been involved in the recovery of Bucky's body in 1945. Whoever "made" Winter Soldier made him, or at least started making him, immediately after his apparent death in the train attack. Unlike Cap, Bucky didn't have the luxury of laying around like a Capsicle waiting for somebody to thaw him out. And again, that points to the most likely suspect(s) being HYDRA, since Bucky went down behind enemy lines in HYDRA territory. Plus, they were the ones who had been experimenting on him a few years prior. Winter Soldier is HYDRA's toy.
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Much as I would like to see a Russian angle, these are very good points.
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Plus, even in the comics, Luskin was selling off the goodies in his Soviet cache that he inherited (IIRC Red Skull wanted to buy WS but Lukin's pricetag was too high), so I think it's possible WS has been passed around.
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I kind of hope that Redford's character isn't the Red Skull in some format since I want Steve to have other major villains to contend with that isn't the Red skull.
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Movie!Zola doesn't strike me as ambitious enough to be masterminding anything.
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As far as Pierce is concerned, I'm willing to bet that he's either a HYDRA commander or Soviet agent who infiltrated SHIELD years ago, possibly by killing the real Pierce and taking his place.
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Killian was most certainly a tangible villain. He wasn't some misunderstood guy.
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I was talking about "playing it safe" - IM3 did not play it safe.
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Zola didn't look like someone who takes the initiative. If the Winter Soldier is indeed his work, it's probably because someone else (either HYDRA remnants or the Soviets) ordered him to do it.
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The way I look at it is that Arnim Zola was a mad genius before WWII, and Red Skull bullied him into being his *****. Zola dutifully mass-produced a whole arsenal of extremely advanced weaponry for him until his capture by the SSR. Now that Skull is gone, and assuming Zola escapes/defects or whatever from the US, he's now free to be the mad scientist he always wanted to be.
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