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Old 08-02-2013, 04:19 PM   #51
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Something like this would be good. Looks big, strong, and functional. That should be the focus, moreso than looking like a fitness model. He should look like he can beat thugs up.

Or like this


Also, Batman should have a more battle-worn, scarred complexion on his body, with scars, bullet marks, bruises, etc. It would contrast with Cavill's Greek mythological body.

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Like I said, Cavill did train with Shannon sometimes.
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And Mark Twight has other clients besides Snyder's actors. So he can't spend 2-3 hour with Cavill and 2-3 hours with the Batman actor everyday. If their training is similar he might club them together atleast some of the times.
And Gym Jones has other trainers than just Twight, such as Michael Blevins, Twight's assistant trainer on "Man Of Steel."

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Old 08-03-2013, 02:55 AM   #53
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Any evidence to support this statement?
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Deborah Snyder: Mark Twight, who trained them, usually pitted them against each other and would post their scores on the board. They’d do the workout and the timings or the weight would be up there for everyone to see. It keeps everyone kinda honest, I think, but also competitive.
http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/05/24/man-...alry-and-more/

I wouldn't make up stuff, I only say what I read. And even besides the above, Michael Shannon said a lot of the times that Cavill was training like a monster, and he would know this only if he had been in the gym with him.
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And Gym Jones has other trainers than just Twight, such as Michael Blevins, Twight's assistant trainer on "Man Of Steel."
In Cavill's workout video that was released, both were present. And in some interviews I read with Twight, he also mentioned that both be Blevins were present and Cavill always mentions them together, so they trained him together in all probability.

And its specifically Mark Twight that Snyder had a relationship with. Mark Twight just happens to be the founder of Gym Jones. In each of the 3 project where Snyder has used Mark Twight - 300, MOS, 300: Rise of an Empire - Twight himself trained the people. So I think for the new Batman actor, Snyder would want specifically Twight to train him.

If that's the case, that might not give Twight much time and he might train the two actors together.

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Old 08-03-2013, 04:39 AM   #54
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Gymnast physique for sure:







Even though it would probably be unrealistic for an actor to achieve this body in the short amount of time it would take before shooting started without intense dieting and steroids.

It would be nice to have a Batman with some agility that doesn't do elbows and forearms all day.

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It's hard for this thread to make sense untill we actually know which actor will play Batman. Everybody has a unique body type and ability to transform it.

You can't just put out a template and expect X actor to achieve just that.

Even Cavil's built as superman is probably not a built most people would have proposed for that character before he was cast?

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I think Bruce Wayne's physique should be between bodybuilder and crossfitter. After all, his physique is described as "physical perfection". The pictures in this page are pretty good examples of that. Below are some more examples. And yes, I know it would be difficult for any actor to get crazy results in such a short period of time like that. It's just what I consider as the perfect physique for a real life Batman/Bruce Wayne.







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I think the gymnast example is the more realistic take. On average he'd be bigger and heavier than most gymnasts, but amongst his skill set is being an Olympic level gymnast purely for the functionality to free running across an urban cityscape. Batman's training in comics is very heavy on gymnastics and more classic strongman feats. The types he was modelled after in the 30s were often doing gymnastic feats in addition to lifting heavy objects. And they weren't necessarily going for high numbers on the bench press. I think the gymnasts are good basis for Batman. Also, that Scott Atkins pic is good too.

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Depending on what the bat costume looks like does it even matter about physique to a certain degree?

In TDK and TDKR I don't think anyone really cared about how big Christian Bale was in the movie. I won't say for fanboys but as far as GA, i doubt anyone really went "wow he's too small or skinny to play Batman". Whoever gets the role for batman is going to be hiding under a suit, why does he need to be ripped as hell?

An actor like John Hamm ( my personal favourite for the roll) already has a massive frame. Why would he need to bulk up like crazy to look like Batman unless he has a shirtless scene?

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Batman should be fit, but not overly muscular. Batman is a ninja, a martial artist, who is supposed to be very agile and stealthy. When artists draw him to be massive body builder size in the comics, it looks stupid since he can't be agile and fast if he's that size. Martial artists aren't that massive.

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Batman should be fit, but not overly muscular. Batman is a ninja, a martial artist, who is supposed to be very agile and stealthy. When artists draw him to be massive body builder size in the comics, it looks stupid since he can't be agile and fast if he's that size. Martial artists aren't that massive.
exactly, i mentioned that earlier in the thread and ppl kept wanting someone matching Cavil.

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Batman should be fit, but not overly muscular. Batman is a ninja, a martial artist, who is supposed to be very agile and stealthy. When artists draw him to be massive body builder size in the comics, it looks stupid since he can't be agile and fast if he's that size. Martial artists aren't that massive.
so like jackman

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Jackman size would be acceptable, maybe a TAD BIT smaller and more agile but that image is good. Bale was actually a really good size imo.

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American Psycho Bale physique was perfect.

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Batman should be fit, but not overly muscular. Batman is a ninja, a martial artist, who is supposed to be very agile and stealthy. When artists draw him to be massive body builder size in the comics, it looks stupid since he can't be agile and fast if he's that size. Martial artists aren't that massive.
No one is saying he should be like a hardcore bodybuilder. But he can definitely have a lot of muscle mass and still be extremely flexible, agile, and fast. I think he NEEDS a significant amount of muscle, because he does a lot more than just jump over rooftops. He needs to take on 200+ lb thugs every night, lift heavy things, and just be very strong in general to do what he does. The muscular gymnast look suits him perfectly. Extremely agile, yet muscular enough that his elite strength is believable.

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Bale was muscular enough, and he doesn't need huge muscles to take on common thugs if he's had years of combat and martial arts training, real martial artists have muscles. but they are no overly muscular. The picture of Hugh Jackman above is a perfectly acceptable size for Bruce. People can be strong, but not be "ripped" I know such people.

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I like the approach got Bruce Lee. Over the years, he prefered a intense powerful physique over a leaner agile figure. Explosive power over stamina.

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Batman should be fit, but not overly muscular. Batman is a ninja, a martial artist, who is supposed to be very agile and stealthy. When artists draw him to be massive body builder size in the comics, it looks stupid since he can't be agile and fast if he's that size. Martial artists aren't that massive.
that's one of the things I've always thought of when it comes to live action. a comic is a comic, but a film's supposed to be more realistic. i wouldn't want him to be as big as superman anyway.

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Something like this would be good. Looks big, strong, and functional. That should be the focus, moreso than looking like a fitness model. He should look like he can beat thugs up.
It looks like his arms are touching the rings/straps, and that would be cheating

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Bale was muscular enough, and he doesn't need huge muscles to take on common thugs if he's had years of combat and martial arts training, real martial artists have muscles. but they are no overly muscular. The picture of Hugh Jackman above is a perfectly acceptable size for Bruce. People can be strong, but not be "ripped" I know such people.
I understand the call for a realistic body, but you have to look at the origin of the character. This is a man who has dedicated nearly a decade on honing his body, making it the perfect weapon. A master of nearly every martial art, gymastics, everything. Batman trained himself in nearly every way. His whole life is only for this...

If normal people like you and I can achieve good physiques, is it not realistic that such a man would be "ripped"? Even if he isn't trying to be, based on the nature of his physical prowess and daily rigor, he should be ripped and muscular by default.

It would actually be unrealistic if such a man was NOT ripped. Do you expect Batman to have a little fat??

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Bale was muscular enough, and he doesn't need huge muscles to take on common thugs if he's had years of combat and martial arts training, real martial artists have muscles. but they are no overly muscular. The picture of Hugh Jackman above is a perfectly acceptable size for Bruce. People can be strong, but not be "ripped" I know such people.

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that's one of the things I've always thought of when it comes to live action. a comic is a comic, but a film's supposed to be more realistic. i wouldn't want him to be as big as superman anyway.
What's so unrealistic about a bodybuilder sized Batman? The "big guys can't move around" mentality is a very, very bad stereotype. Look at football players and MMA fighters. Some of them are just as big, if not, bigger than Henry Cavill and they move around just as well as a lightweight. So no, it's not just a comic thing, it's real life too.

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Why would he need to bulk up like crazy to look like Batman unless he has a shirtless scene?
That's the thing, he might just have that. The no shirt scene in MOS was done at Snyder's bidding because Cavill was wearing the body fit suit and looking very big and muscular, and Snyder said he didn't want the audience to think it was a rubber suit, so he put in a shirtless scene to show that Superman/Cavill was actually powerfully built.

If Snyder wants to show the extent of Batman's physical prowess, he might put in a no shirt scene.

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What's so unrealistic about a bodybuilder sized Batman? The "big guys can't move around" mentality is a very, very bad stereotype. Look at football players and MMA fighters. Some of them are just as big, if not, bigger than Henry Cavill and they move around just as well as a lightweight. So no, it's not just a comic thing, it's real life too.
It's a bad misconception that big guys can't move. There are 100s of body building exercises, to be able to do them all properly and with form you have to exercise the full range of motion and be very supple and flexible.

This is Greg Plitt, he's the world's top fitness model (and supplied the physique for Dr. Manhattan in Snyder's Watchmen) and has a body builder physique but is very active and move really well and really fast, just see any video with him.



Scott Adkins has already been mentioned in the thread above and also has a body builder level physique and yet is supremely agile and quick and one of the fastest guys around.



The Stat gets body builder big for movies but remains amazingly agile and active.



So speed and size are not mutually exclusive. They together can lend you great explosiveness and momentum.

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No offense but I don't see any of the potential actors who are chosen for the role looking anything like the above guys as said actor will likely have a matter of month's to get into super shape as opposed to those guys who have probably trained most of their lives or at least years to get to that shape.

The Batman physique should be based upon the actor's own body and body type and not some pre-set template.

I can't see Brolin assuming he really does get the role looking like any of those guys but a workout set to his own physical capabilities could still have him looking good.

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I am not saying the Batman actor should look like these guys, just saying that these guys have great size as well as great speed.

And what you say is true, until you have so prior training or have been in good shape before, it is impossible to start from scratch and look great. When Butler trained for 300, he had already trained for Lara Croft before that. When Cavill trained for MOS, he had already trained for Immortals before. They were just able to build on their earlier experience and reach new heights.

Of the actors that Hollywood Reporter reports are in the mix, only Joe Manganiello I think can achieve a physique close to these guys. Gosling has been in shape too but on the slim, model type build.

I think that's the reason that they need to cast now, so that the actor gets atleast 5 months before shoot begins in earl 2014.

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No offense but I don't see any of the potential actors who are chosen for the role looking anything like the above guys as said actor will likely have a matter of month's to get into super shape as opposed to those guys who have probably trained most of their lives or at least years to get to that shape.

The Batman physique should be based upon the actor's own body and body type and not some pre-set template.

I can't see Brolin assuming he really does get the role looking like any of those guys but a workout set to his own physical capabilities could still have him looking good.
True. It's cool to discuss/wishful thinking though.

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