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Old 07-21-2013, 12:57 PM   #201
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So Pym isn't creating Ultron in the films from the sound of things.

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Old 07-21-2013, 01:05 PM   #202
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I figured as much. Knew it wasn't an accident that Iron Man's helmet morphed into Ultron's face from the description of the teaser.

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Old 07-22-2013, 04:10 PM   #203
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So Pym isn't creating Ultron in the films from the sound of things.
I'm still sad about this. Seems like a missed opportunity to inform a huge aspect of both characters to completely write out their relationship to each other. I am less excited (still excited, just less so) in this movie as a result.

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Old 07-22-2013, 05:24 PM   #204
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That story arc won't work since we haven't been introduced to Pym as a character. You have to know the character first to know about the story arc.

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Old 07-22-2013, 05:56 PM   #205
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Not only that, it won't work because he has to be an Avengers first. You can't have Ultron created from someone outside of the Avengers, the character loses its essence then.

Hank Pym won't have the same characters arcs in the movies that he did in the comics, but I think Wright will keep the essence of the character in his story. It's not so much about what hero Hank Pym is or whether he created Ultron, it's about a guy who tries/tried to be a hero and failed. Pym isn't tied to any one iconic persona so they can work around with him. The Ant-Man mantle isn't sacred like Spider-Man.

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Old 07-22-2013, 07:07 PM   #206
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Not only that, it won't work because he has to be an Avengers first. You can't have Ultron created from someone outside of the Avengers, the character loses its essence then.

Hank Pym won't have the same characters arcs in the movies that he did in the comics, but I think Wright will keep the essence of the character in his story. It's not so much about what hero Hank Pym is or whether he created Ultron, it's about a guy who tries/tried to be a hero and failed. Pym isn't tied to any one iconic persona so they can work around with him. The Ant-Man mantle isn't sacred like Spider-Man.
That is a little ridiculous. Changing his creator doesn't do away with his essence, but making a non-Avenger his creator would?

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Old 07-22-2013, 07:42 PM   #207
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Yes, the point of the villain is that it's an Avengers creation. He represents their mistakes and failure. It's a problem the Avengers create. That's why Joss is using Ultron. His creator doesn't matter, it's what he represents that does.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:03 PM   #208
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That is a little ridiculous. Changing his creator doesn't do away with his essence, but making a non-Avenger his creator would?
i think what he's saying is that you all Ultron needs is a creator to fixate on. the identity of the creator is unimportant; given that it's a founding Avenger. Tony and Pepper's relationship (which didn't really exist in the books prior to the movies) isn't that different from Hank and Janet's. and i could easily see Stark, feeling his own mortality, attempting to create something to protect humanity/handle the Avengers, should the situation require it. he's pragmatic and sometimes lacks empathy. and he has had a breakdown like Pym, as of Iron Man 3.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:06 PM   #209
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I always thought Alan Rickman's voice would be good for Ultron.
at this rate, it will probably be Paul Bettany.

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Old 07-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #210
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Pym is in this movie. There will be some relation

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Old 07-23-2013, 11:23 PM   #211
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Not only that, it won't work because he has to be an Avengers first. You can't have Ultron created from someone outside of the Avengers, the character loses its essence then.

Hank Pym won't have the same characters arcs in the movies that he did in the comics, but I think Wright will keep the essence of the character in his story. It's not so much about what hero Hank Pym is or whether he created Ultron, it's about a guy who tries/tried to be a hero and failed. Pym isn't tied to any one iconic persona so they can work around with him. The Ant-Man mantle isn't sacred like Spider-Man.

True.

And as Whedon specifically said, this is the origin of Ultron.

And by the sounds of that, we could see him back in a future film, and perhaps Hank can be tied in to his story in then.

Perhaps he could try to repurpose him later as "Ultron Mk II", but it ends uo making him more dangerous and unstoppable.

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Pym is in this movie. There will be some relation
Pym will, for sure, have some connection to him in the future, but he won't be his creator. And I'm fine with that.

I'm actually a big fan of the idea that Ultron is a Skynet type AI in this film, only to become gain a physical form later, due to Hank.

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Old 07-23-2013, 11:28 PM   #213
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Yes, the point of the villain is that it's an Avengers creation. He represents their mistakes and failure. It's a problem the Avengers create. That's why Joss is using Ultron. His creator doesn't matter, it's what he represents that does.
This.

And Like I said, HanK can definitely establish a connection to him later.

Again, perhaps he rewrites Ultron based off his brain patterns, and tries to repurpose him, only for it to go horribly, horribly wrong.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:10 AM   #214
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i think what he's saying is that you all Ultron needs is a creator to fixate on. the identity of the creator is unimportant; given that it's a founding Avenger. Tony and Pepper's relationship (which didn't really exist in the books prior to the movies) isn't that different from Hank and Janet's. and i could easily see Stark, feeling his own mortality, attempting to create something to protect humanity/handle the Avengers, should the situation require it. he's pragmatic and sometimes lacks empathy. and he has had a breakdown like Pym, as of Iron Man 3.
Not to mention the army of suits he created, I wouldn't be surprised if a big plot point is that he's no longer Iron Man but his suits are still active in the world doing his work. Maybe even have a sinister JARVIS AI?

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:11 PM   #215
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It's a shame wrights Ultron won't be in the any man movie. If it was half as good as the blanks in the worlds end we would have been in for a treat.

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Old 08-04-2013, 12:01 AM   #216
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It's a shame wrights Ultron won't be in the any man movie. If it was half as good as the blanks in the worlds end we would have been in for a treat.

There has never been any indication that Wright planned to use Ultron. He's probably got Egghead or the Porcupine lined up as the villain.

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It's a shame wrights Ultron won't be in the any man movie. If it was half as good as the blanks in the worlds end we would have been in for a treat.
See, I get what all the articles say, but I really don't get how people get that as a conclusion. Wright was asked if Ultron was ever part of his script, and his response is "I can't really talk about that, ummm.....I'll say no. No he wasn't." He was not a part of wright's script before. However, his hesitance, and what he responded, hell, in my eyes that interview supports there being ultron opposed to there not being

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Thry've basically taken away the one key thing Antman has done. What has he got to offer now?

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Old 08-05-2013, 03:54 PM   #219
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Thry've basically taken away the one key thing Antman has done.
being one of the founding members of the team? it already happened. the world hasn't ended.

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Old 08-05-2013, 04:06 PM   #220
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See, I get what all the articles say, but I really don't get how people get that as a conclusion. Wright was asked if Ultron was ever part of his script, and his response is "I can't really talk about that, ummm.....I'll say no. No he wasn't." He was not a part of wright's script before. However, his hesitance, and what he responded, hell, in my eyes that interview supports there being ultron opposed to there not being
he might be hesitant because he's talking about a character that Whedon is using. but he realized that telling the truth about Ultron's non-involvement in 'Ant-Man' wasn't crossing the line.

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See, I get what all the articles say, but I really don't get how people get that as a conclusion. Wright was asked if Ultron was ever part of his script, and his response is "I can't really talk about that, ummm.....I'll say no. No he wasn't." He was not a part of wright's script before. However, his hesitance, and what he responded, hell, in my eyes that interview supports there being ultron opposed to there not being
Whedon isn't the boss at Marvel, he doesn't call the shots or draft the stories. The "Godfather" so to speak is Kevin Feige, he's president and head producer. There's no reason to believe Ultron was in Wrights script what so ever. He's talked about the story being inspired by "To Steal an Ant-Man" and described it as a heavy origin story similar to 2008's Iron Man. I think his hesitation comes from the fact he's not allowed to talk about anything.

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Old 12-26-2013, 05:43 PM   #222
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Now that Paul Rudd has been cast, do you think they will include Hank Pym in Age of Ultron?


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Now that Paul Rudd has been cast, do you think they will include Hank Pym in Age of Ultron?
Not unless Joss, Wright, and Feige have been sandbagging/outright lying this whole time.

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Old 12-26-2013, 10:22 PM   #224
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a post-credits appearance wouldn't be unbelievable.

as an aside, i wonder who is in the costume above? is that just some random person posing for the shot? was it Rudd?

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Now that Paul Rudd has been cast, do you think they will include Hank Pym in Age of Ultron?
Like cherokeesam said unless the Marvel guys have been outright lying like they did with the Mandarin (and I don't see why they would) he probably isn't in the film in any major way.

I still wouldn't be surprised if there was a after credit scene or unannounced minor cameo like Hawkeye in Thor, Tony Stark in the Incredible Hulk or
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