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Old 08-05-2013, 04:20 PM   #101
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There really wasn't time in Avengers... Steve wakes up, and all of Avengers takes place with in a very short time period... feels like a matter of only a few days... no way to get into Caps adjusting in that short of a time frame.

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Why would they have focused on Cap's man out of time struggles in TA. That was a team movie with about seven other characters who all needed screentime and development. They did kind of hint at it with Steve not understanding pop culture references. It would have been too much for the film to highlight Cap any further. His own movie is the place to focus on those things.
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I agree there wasn't time for it in The Avengers. It's just unfortunate that it had to work out that way.

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Old 08-05-2013, 07:28 PM   #103
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Not only wasn't there time for it, but TA wasn't the place for it either, it was about the team. That is what Captain America TWO is for.

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Not only wasn't there time for it, but TA wasn't the place for it either, it was about the team. That is what Captain America TWO is for.
I wasn't disagreeing with you about it not being in The Avengers.

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Yeah but Captain America 2 also has a team and a ton of characters in it.

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Old 08-06-2013, 12:45 AM   #106
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Yeah but Captain America 2 also has a team and a ton of characters in it.
But it also has his name on the movie which means it's right to make him the focus of the plot.

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Yeah but Captain America 2 also has a team and a ton of characters in it.
That's the difference in 'supporting characters' and 'ensemble cast'

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That's still a lot to juggle and deal with depending on the length.

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Yeah but Captain America 2 also has a team and a ton of characters in it.
That doesn't mean the movie won't focus primarily on Cap. Everything will revolve around him.

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We'll see. Movie will need to be longer I think. Not like Avengers long, maybe like X-Men 2

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I am more exited for This movie than Thor2 .

It really gives me vibe like The Avengers did

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I am more exited for This movie than Thor2 .

It really gives me vibe like The Avengers did
lol I'm excited for both like their first films. lol

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Was thinking about this last night and wanted to post it...

how big a threat do you all believe is in this movie considering none of the members of SHIELD or the AVENGERS were able to assist or show up during IM3.

I clearly understand that IM3 was a standalone movie about Tony but, now that the Avengers have assembled, do any of you think they have some sort of obligation or need to explain why none of them could help Tony?

I read that this movie takes place on the same timeline, during the events of IM3 so I am just curious what you all think.

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Was thinking about this last night and wanted to post it...

how big a threat do you all believe is in this movie considering none of the members of SHIELD or the AVENGERS were able to assist or show up during IM3.

I clearly understand that IM3 was a standalone movie about Tony but, now that the Avengers have assembled, do any of you think they have some sort of obligation or need to explain why none of them could help Tony?

I read that this movie takes place on the same timeline, during the events of IM3 so I am just curious what you all think.
Help Tony with what?? Fighting a terrorrist??? The movie was called IM3 not The Avengers 2. Besides I remember fanboys complaining about the presense of Shield in IM2

The events of IM3 take place in a period of 24 hours

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We probably know Thor was dealing with things on Asgard while the latest problems on Earth are going down. We probably know that SHIELD is going through some deliberate internal strife and therefor are ordered not to help in IM's troubles. That would cover Cap and BW and probably most of its operatives and presumably Hawkeye. Hulk is the only one I can't account for.

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We probably know Thor was dealing with things on Asgard while the latest problems on Earth are going down. We probably know that SHIELD is going through some deliberate internal strife and therefor are ordered not to help in IM's troubles. That would cover Cap and BW and probably most of its operatives and presumably Hawkeye. Hulk is the only one I can't account for.
I think with the Hulk, one could say that since he tends to stay off the grid, by the time it would have taken for him to receive news about the incident, along for Hulk to come up with a plan of action, the events of Iron Man 3 would have probably been over by then since Bruce had no means of tracking Stark himself, and probably thought that Stark might have even died since everyone thought that Stark was dead for a good while.

I'm assuming that the post credit scene featuring Stark and Banner at the end of Iron Man 3 is probably when Banner finally drops by to see how Tony was doing, only for it to somehow wind up into that therapy session that made Bruce fall asleep.

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Old 08-06-2013, 07:57 AM   #117
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We probably know that SHIELD is going through some deliberate internal strife and therefor are ordered not to help in IM's troubles.
They aren't Iron Man's trouble, though. A terrorirst -or so they thought- was attacking us soil. By rights, there should have been SHIELD involvement.


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Was thinking about this last night and wanted to post it...

how big a threat do you all believe is in this movie considering none of the members of SHIELD or the AVENGERS were able to assist or show up during IM3.

I clearly understand that IM3 was a standalone movie about Tony but, now that the Avengers have assembled, do any of you think they have some sort of obligation or need to explain why none of them could help Tony?

I read that this movie takes place on the same timeline, during the events of IM3 so I am just curious what you all think.
The threat is likely dire, possibly even the greatest in scope of phase 2, but covert.

I expect there will be a big action piece in the finale, but it seems most of the action will be behind the scenes. From everything we've seen from set pics, nothing too loud happens. A car chase, or two, and that's it. Tony, basically, has no reason to notice or get involved.

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They aren't Iron Man's trouble, though. A terrorirst -or so they thought- was attacking us soil. By rights, there should have been SHIELD involvement.
True, but IM3's focus is how this impacts IM. It isn't White House Down so it doesn't really focus on what's going on elsewhere. SHIELD could be doing its thing related to the Mandarin but because it's IM3 and like others have said it all goes down in a matter of 24 hours or so.

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Old 08-06-2013, 08:38 AM   #120
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Shield doesn't help Tony because there are probably some corruption with a few shield higher ups working with AIM at the time. Which we'll find out in Cap 2

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Either that, or the US Government specifically asked SHIELD not to get involved since they'd want their new PR boost in the form of Iron Patriot to take care of the threat, in order to strengthen credibility and all that jazz.

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I don't think The Winter Soldier will take place at the same time as Iron Man 3. Has there been any indication that TWS would also be set during Christmas?

In the set photos, it doesn't look like people are dressed for Winter. If they are in D.C., then I doubt it's at the same time as the IM3 story.

I still hope there will be some explanation about why SHIELD didn't seem to be involved in those events, but I don't think them happening at the same time will be the reason.

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Either that, or the US Government specifically asked SHIELD not to get involved since they'd want their new PR boost in the form of Iron Patriot to take care of the threat, in order to strengthen credibility and all that jazz.
That's how it was presented in the movie. When they're in that bar together before Tony's panic attack, Rhodey specific told Stark that the Mandarin was "American problems not Superhero problems" or something to that effect. SHIELD isn't exactly on firm ground with the U.S. government. As we saw in the end of The Avengers, there are some people who feel the Avengers are responsible for the destruction that happened in New York.


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Yeah, the 'why not call X' continuity problem/plot hole is solved a lot better in this phase rather than 'it all happened during the same week!' from Phase I, that was contrived. Accept no excuses for bad storytelling.

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It's not a big deal to me. It's all entertainment at the end of the day. There's a lot more things going on in my daily life that requiring my acceptance.

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