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Old 08-10-2013, 04:58 AM   #926
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I really liked the portion of the score when Thor gets banished. Some excellent build up in that scene.

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Old 08-10-2013, 05:17 AM   #927
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I like the music on the Frost Giant's home. And the musical cues in the scene where Thor first attempts to lift the hammer are poignant to me. It makes you feel for this big, good lookin' tough guy, because at that moment he just wants to do something everybody can relate to: He just wants to go home. The music sells it, but then again Chris sells the hell out of it with his performance.

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Old 08-10-2013, 05:36 AM   #928
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Yeah those were great moments. Totally agree with the feeling the viewer gets during those scenes. A wonderfully set ambiance due to both the music and the great performance from Chris.

On a side note relating to the whole acting selling the character point you made I honestly don't think The Avengers would have had the same impact on me had I not seen the fantastic performance by both Hemsworth and Evans. They did beyond an incredible job in creating these empathetic characters that we could easily and understandably cheer on.

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Old 08-10-2013, 06:28 AM   #929
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Actually... That's not bad. I hadn't thought of that, but the subversion of tropes for the entire runtime might be more of an explanation for fan fury at the film than even the use of the Mandarin... People just use the Mandarin as a catch all reason?

Hopefully DARK WORLD will be a little more... Straight forward?

That's the thing that gets to people about IM3, I think: Although it technically delivered everything people expected, it did it in unexpected ways. In other words, it wasn't a traditional, straightforward superhero/action movie, and that was upsetting. Fan often accuse Marvel of playing it safe, of not taking any chances with its movies, but in IM3 they took the enormous risk of going against genre conventions. That approach pissed off a lot of fans who wanted a straight up, A-B-C, by-the-book story that followed the structure of most other superhero films, with standard cookie-cutter villains to match.


Personally, I found it refreshing. Killian was a villain worthy of Iron Man, the first who didn't wear a metal suit, yet also the first who could take Stark on toe-to-toe without even breathing hard. The Extremis soldiers were great; their powers were identical to the comics, right down to the fire-breathing (which some fans ironically disliked). Tony's battles with PTSD and anxiety were very well written and acted, and were fitting for a normal man who had been forced to deal with very abnormal events. Killian was the perfect Mandarin and Mandarin was the perfect terrorist bogeyman. Most importantly, Tony Stark had a clear emotional arc that was fully developed and concluded in a satisfying manner, something that cannot be said of all superhero films. I was surprised and delighted by the film and walked out of the theater happy to have seen something quite unique, rather than another predictable comic book movie.


TDW will be a traditional film, which suits Thor and his world very well. Thor's uniqueness comes from the fantasy elements of his universe, rather than from narrative twists.

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Old 08-10-2013, 07:57 AM   #930
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Again.I mean,Pepper was the one to beat Stane (technically speaking). Tony also needed an assist from War Machine to beat Vanko.
And Pepper was the one who "defeated" Justin Hammer by cornering him and having him arrested.

And Tony left Raza to the townsfolk in Afghanistan.

And Coldblood was defeated by Remote Control Iron Man.

Technically, the only "confirmed solo kills" Tony Stark has are Ellen Brandt (and that was without the suit) and the whole frickin' Chitauri fleet (which is, admittedly, the biggest feather in an iron cap that anyone could ask for). Otherwise, all his movies have been about wiping out the cannon fodder but getting the assist for the win against the Big Bad from Pepper and/or Rhodey.

So people *suddenly* developing moral outrage against Pepper "stealing" the climactic win from Tony in IM3 are way, way late on that call.

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Old 08-10-2013, 09:35 AM   #931
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Because a lot of fans have trouble accepting anything new or different. The hero must do EVERYTHING, if anyone else does anything important its blasphemy. Pepper should have waited patiently for her man to come and save. Also, Batman doesn't kill, Catwoman does.

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Old 08-10-2013, 09:36 AM   #932
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Tony did all of the work throughout the entire film up to that point, calling him helpless is laughable.

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Old 08-10-2013, 10:26 AM   #933
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Old 08-10-2013, 10:49 AM   #934
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Fans just flip out if their favorite characters aren't the "ULTIMATE BADASS" in every sense of the word. Also Pepper getting a taste of Tony's power at the end was to tie their relationship arc together, not solely because they were scared of making the woman look weak. Despite this, I've seen people still complain that IM3 was the only one that reduced Pepper to a damsel-in-distress.

You can't please anybody, even if you're geek God Joss Whedon now. Oh well, I guess he was corrupted by the Devil Feige.

Back on TDW, I find it interesting in the trailer that it suggests Thor, Loki, and Jane are going off together, but Jane is notably absent in certain parts, like when Thor and Loki are going up the mountain. Weren't there rumors of her being possessed a long while back?

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Old 08-10-2013, 11:44 AM   #935
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They probably have to travel without her for a while in an attempt to save her if she gets spirited away or something.

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Old 08-10-2013, 12:05 PM   #936
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And Pepper was the one who "defeated" Justin Hammer by cornering him and having him arrested.

And Tony left Raza to the townsfolk in Afghanistan.

And Coldblood was defeated by Remote Control Iron Man.

Technically, the only "confirmed solo kills" Tony Stark has are Ellen Brandt (and that was without the suit) and the whole frickin' Chitauri fleet (which is, admittedly, the biggest feather in an iron cap that anyone could ask for). Otherwise, all his movies have been about wiping out the cannon fodder but getting the assist for the win against the Big Bad from Pepper and/or Rhodey.

So people *suddenly* developing moral outrage against Pepper "stealing" the climactic win from Tony in IM3 are way, way late on that call.
How? Tony was actually involved in the defeat of both Stane and Vanko. It's entirely different in IM3 when Stark loses to the villain and needs to be saved by Pepper. Super Hero movies are about the hero overcoming their demons, both internal and external, but that doesn't happen in this film. Stark doesn't beat Killian, Pepper does.

I understand they wanted to put Pepper on an even playing field as Stark but they failed. Pepper, throughout the film, really serves as nothing more than Stark's girlfriend and suddenly she one ups him at the end. That doesn't work. If they actually wanted to make her Stark's equal than you have to do that throughout the film and give her some actual character development.

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Old 08-10-2013, 12:18 PM   #937
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Stark was in basically the same situation in IM1 that he was in IM3. Played the villain smartly, then got stuck in a broken/no suit. He's doomed in both until Pepper saves the day. And she had more development in this than IM2. She keeps Tony grounded, to use a cliche-- she's his rock. There's a reason RDJ wanted her in Avengers over Rhodey and why Black heeded Favreau's advice to "stick with the love story".

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Old 08-10-2013, 12:27 PM   #938
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Except, in IM1, it was his plan that beat Stane. Yes, he didn't click the button but in all honesty that's the least important part.

And, while she may have more development than IM2, that's not saying much. Ultimately, her development in IM3 is virtually non-existent.

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Killian kidnapped and tortured Pepper, both to punish her for rejecting him and to use her as leverage to make Tony help with Extremis. After all she went through at his hands it was fitting that she delivered the death blow. Best of all, the ending of Iron Man 3 turned the lame-ass "Hero saves his defenseless girlfriend" trope on its ear. But then, the entire movie did nothing but subvert worn-out genre tropes for 2.25 hours, which is probably why so many hate it.


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Again.I mean,Pepper was the one to beat Stane
She hit a ****ing button for chrissakes. That's 'lending a hand' not 'beating the villain'

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Yes, and all Catwoman did was press a button, but she still beat Bane.

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She hit a ****ing button for chrissakes. That's 'lending a hand' not 'beating the villain'
Tony was at Stane's mercy and in no position to defeat him.By definition,Pepper absolutely was the one that "beat" him.

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Because a lot of fans have trouble accepting anything new or different. The hero must do EVERYTHING, if anyone else does anything important its blasphemy. Pepper should have waited patiently for her man to come and save. Also, Batman doesn't kill, Catwoman does.
That's another thing that lowers TDKR in my eyes.Traditionally,Catwoman was NEVER a killer.I doubt Batman would have much to do with her if she was.

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And Pepper was the one who "defeated" Justin Hammer by cornering him and having him arrested.

1. And Tony left Raza to the townsfolk in Afghanistan.

2. And Coldblood was defeated by Remote Control Iron Man.

Technically, the only "confirmed solo kills" Tony Stark has are Ellen Brandt (and that was without the suit) and the whole frickin' Chitauri fleet (which is, admittedly, the biggest feather in an iron cap that anyone could ask for). Otherwise, all his movies have been about wiping out the cannon fodder but getting the assist for the win against the Big Bad from Pepper and/or Rhodey.

So people *suddenly* developing moral outrage against Pepper "stealing" the climactic win from Tony in IM3 are way, way late on that call.
1. After beating him...

2. Errrr remotely controlled...by Iron Man.

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LOL people really do love grumbling about the silliest things, don't they?


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Hemsworth looks different in that gif. Thinner or something.

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Hemsworth looks different in that gif. Thinner or something.
I think it is the hair. Looks off imo.

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obvsly chris h is malnourish

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Love this image of the two brothers. I'm wondering if this is when Thor has Loki released from prison. Loki looks pleased; Thor looks anxious. Maybe they are on their way to meet with Odin? In this scene, Loki's hands aren't bound; they are in the others of him and Thor, Jane, and company in Asgard, I believe. Perhaps Odin insists on the cuffs?

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Like I said, Iron Man had already pretty much brought Killian to near death Pepper just finished the job.
It didn't ruin the movie for by any means. I think what makes me not like it that much is that I was confused and thinking "hmm I don't know, how did she blast him with Ironman's arm attached to her arm?" Because Tony looked in shock after she whooped Killian. So I was left to assume that Jarvis summoned the armor to Pepper. It just seemed far fetched. Was there something I missed? If not Jarvis, how could Pepper possibly summon the armor to herself? I know this is the Thor trailer, but does anybody have an answer for this? If I go post in the IM3 thread my question might get overlooked. So since it was being mentioned here, I thought I'd ask real quick.

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Tony was at Stane's mercy and in no position to defeat him.By definition,Pepper absolutely was the one that "beat" him.
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