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Old 08-06-2013, 11:30 AM   #1
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With Iron Man 4 on the horizon for Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase 3, it remains unclear when the film will be set for theateratical release in the future. Before Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige even think about coming up with the characters, they are gonna need to recap over the past 3 movies and indeed as Feige said he and his staff are going to be thinking hard on what to use for the fourth film's character's villains and storyline based plot and before they along with possible returning director Shane Black even think about deciding, they should use everyone of these ideas to make the film go smoother and better than Iron Man 3 and maybe even fixing up some of the plotholes that their outrightful lack of sympothy, lack of character respect and inconfidence had messed up as well.


Now here the recommendations that Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige should use before getting started on Iron Man 4.

14. Stop Making the Villains be about Tony (ex. Obadiah, Whiplash and Aldrich Killian) because it's not only becoming too predictable but it's like the producers can't seem to think of other ways on doing the bad guys in the films

13 No More Ripping Movies Off with Boring Reality Crap (Such as taking away best features of the characters like the Mandarin over such sloppy excuses or ditching the cooler and better villains like Fin Fang Foom over bullcrap excuses)

12. No MODOK, No Firebrand, No Mallen, or any other villain that Aldrich Killian is more truely adressed as except for the Mandarin


11. Have Pepper officially suit up in her official new Rescue armor because she has waited long enough



10. Avoid ditching the armors because there are more villains that Marvel Studios may use that definatley requires TOny to wear Iron Man armors

9.No More Violating Characters over Excuses


In Iron Man 3, Feige purposely misused two of Iron Man's enemies, Firepower and the Mandarin. Instead of armoring Ashley Hamilton up as Firepower, Black wasted him as a bomb and instead of having Kingsley battle Tony with Magic rings guns, or swords, Feige and Marvel just wasted the character by turning the Mandarin into a joke and violating his MCU depiction by having to twist his name onto Aldrich Killian over such lack of capability on dealing with stereotypes like men. Not to mention that Feige's excuse for betraying everyone's expectations on the character for not having any other choice but to risk ruining him sounds like he's been brain damaged and that his mind has been reduced to scared little 10 yea old kid on not having to deal with the Mandarin the way he originally had him with Kingsley as the character. Well Firepower cannot be fixed because he's been completely vaporized, but the Mandarin on the other hand can be fixed simply by returning as Trevor Slattery with real magic rings either as Aldrich Killian's personal demon and idolized persona brought to life as a real existing threat or by retraction and all that it would take to get some conviction into Feige and staff to get Ben Kingsley to reprise his role as the Mandarin but properly this time with power rings and without denying that oppertunity over their bulls**t excuse of having the extremis powered Aldrich being their perfered MCU version of the character would be to persuade them with the right ideas and proper modivation

8. Reveal Aldrich Killian's Possible Connection with the Ten Rings


Because of the twist on the Mandarin when the arch enemy of Tony was meant to be the leader of the terrorists in Afghanistan, further explaination on Aldrich Killian's connection with the Ten Rings is needed to be revealed because leaving cliffhangers left undone is totally unacceptable especially on how could an american be the leader of Afghanistanian terrorists.

7. All Out War Between the Ten Rings and AIM


To make the 4th film more interesting, Kevin Feige is to have the terrorists called the Ten Rings to return and ally with the new Mandarin Trevor Slattery against AIM in retaliation of their boss Aldrich Killian using them and their symbol for his own dirty schemes.

6. Bring Back the Ten Rings

We can't forget about the terrorists who abducted Tony Stark because some of them have to still be alive and we still need to know where they are now.

5. Introduce the Ghost


With the Ghost debuting in the next film, not only will he be a suitable Iron Man villain adaptable for the MCU. but also with his skills of stealth and martial arts tactics, he should be capable of breaking the Mandarin (Trevor) out of jail and bringing him over to the Ten Rings to explain to him about Tony Stark and Aldrich Killian

4. Do a Retraction/Reintroduction for the Mandarin


Because Mandarin is still alive as Trevor Slattery and that neither he or Killian used magic rings in Iron Man 3, Marvel Studios and producer Kevin Feige should do a retraction for the Mandarin by bringing Ben Kingsley back for the fourth installment and consider him a second MCU interpretation of the Mandarin by doing the following:

* Shave off the beard so that it doesn't make the character's depiction look unbearable

*Have Trevor escape from prison with Ghost's help and team up with the Ten Rings

*Have Trevor acquire the ten power rings that should make him evolve into the more proper Mandarin we rightfully deserve to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe

*Have Trevor suit up in dark knight based armor so that he is capable of battling his opponents

*Have The Mandarin(Trevor) lead the Ten Rings into war against AIM and use his power rings to help him reclaim everything he lost such as his wealth, home, and reputation

*Have the New Mandarin battle Tony at least once

*Have the character team up with Iron Man against Fin Fang Foom and the dragons after the dragon crosses him in their dealings

*The one and only thing Ben Kingsley's Mandarin will not have is being relentless against Tony Stark which is once sacrifice the producers are gonna have to make if they bring Mandarin back into the fourth film as Trevor Slattery because it's better for the Mandarin's interpretation to match up with
the ones from the comics instead of changing or violating him over such incapabilities.

3. Next Wave of Enemies to be alien Dragons


Since Iron Man has fought terrorists, robots, armored villains, extremis enhanced soldiers, and normal level thugs, it's time that Feige and Marvel Studios should go with one more specific type of enemies before even thinking about ditching the armors as well as making the next films non Iron Man based and the next wave of enemies best for them to use while wearing armor are the Makulan dragons


2. Main Villain for Iron Man 4 Should be Fin Fang Foom


That's right as one of Iron Man's greatest foes, Fin Fang Foom is the biggest of them all. Very well known for his association with Iron Man's arch enemy the Mandarin, Fin Fang Foom, the alien dragon is also the villain responsible for the origin of the Mandarin as well. And as big and fearsome as he is in the comics, Fin Fang Foom is the ultimate villain that Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige should use as the main villain for Iron Man 4. That way it should make the franchise regain its proper reputation after the blowback twist in Iron Man 3 and that it will be considered a sign that Marvel isn't going to continue ripping the films off with more boring reality based crap as well because this time by bringing the Dragon and his race into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Fin Fang Foom will be Tony Stark's ultimate challenging villain yet!

1. Iron Man 4 to be based on the Dragon Seed Storyline


Oh yeah, and the best thing about this storyline in the Iron Man comics is that it's so far the only one where Iron Man and his arch enemy Mandarin team up against other villain threats and as remarkable as it is, it would be the only storyline in the comics that Feige and Marvel would use to make the Mandarin still work as Trevor Slattery in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. All they have to do is have Trevor get the power rings from Fin Fang Foom and have him do things that do not fully follow up with the storyline up until the doubecross and the Mandarin's team up with Iron Mand against the alien dragons and then everything will go a lot better than Iron Man 3.

So all this is what Kevin Feige, Shane Black, and the rest of Marvel Studios must use for Iron Man 4 and they should be notified ASAP

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Old 08-16-2013, 10:12 AM   #2
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Having Trevor suddenly becoming a thread is an aweful, aweful idea. I didn't like it but Killian is right now the films version of the Mandarin, continue with that.

If you don't want killian then why not introduce a chinese business man named after one of the Mandarin's alias in the comics, this way he wouldn't be considered racist due to his name and we would get the character without retconing Iron Man 3. Yeah i know it would mean another businessman villain but that's the best way to fix things without continuing with Killian, the Mandarin has sort of been reintroduced in modern comics this way.



Though in my opinion they should go on with Killian, he has powers and organizations, and his "death" didn't look like a death at all.

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Mandarin is done, no retcons or excuses. The ****ed up move on.

My suggestions:

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Don't repeat the Tony goes from a douchebag to good person storyline again and again.

#2 Go back to belivable tech. Iron Man 1 and 2 had a natural progression. Then Iron Man 3 had his armour fly when it's in pieces and somehow attach to him, he could step in and out of armours all of a sudden making it that anyone could be Iron Man, not to mention the fire guys.

#2 Have Pepper go back to being an outsider of the superhero world. She works better as a spectator than a participant.

#3 Use some villains who aren't connected to Tony.

#4 if there are other armours, have them show their specialities otherwise they're just all the same just visually different to sell toys.

#5 Have Tony likable, like in the first movie.

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or they should just reboot it. 1/3 good movies is not a good record.

Either way Iron Man seems to have run his course imo, there's a reason he never retained icon/flagship statue in the comics.

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As far as the Mandarin goes...

I'd have it revealed that the Mandarin didn't die in the explosion at the end of IM3, but the husk of body that survived was slowly rebuilt by Extremis. He realizes that he must bide his time and gather his resources.

Slowly, but surely, he amasses a wealth of technology...much of it alien in origin. Trevor's guise being Killian's idea in the first place, he comes to don the green dragon robe that inspired so much fear in those televised threats. He also decides to adopt the rings, but infuses them with some of the alien tech that he reversed engineered (perhaps they aren't just simple rings, but more like techno-brass knuckles with wires running from them up his arm and then under his skin, powered by his Extremis energy). He wants to the world to know that the threat of the Mandarin was no hoax perpetrated by a drunken actor...it is very real and very dangerous.

Then he would seek out Tony to finish the fight he started.

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So basically redoing it all over again but not ****ing it up this time?

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Making Trevor into the Mandarin is a horrible, horrible idea. The Mandarin is supposed to be someone who trained almost from birth to be a superhuman martial artist and scientific genius. Making him a dopey actor who gets rings is a massive betrayal.

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Ghost takes over Ten Rings, promising their most prominent members vengeance against AIM for using them as a front. Then Ghost is able to gain the support of those alien dragons. The dragons are used to ensure Ghost remains in control of Ten Rings, and serve as backup vs Iron Man.

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As far as the Mandarin goes...

I'd have it revealed that the Mandarin didn't die in the explosion at the end of IM3, but the husk of body that survived was slowly rebuilt by Extremis. He realizes that he must bide his time and gather his resources.

Slowly, but surely, he amasses a wealth of technology...much of it alien in origin. Trevor's guise being Killian's idea in the first place, he comes to don the green dragon robe that inspired so much fear in those televised threats. He also decides to adopt the rings, but infuses them with some of the alien tech that he reversed engineered (perhaps they aren't just simple rings, but more like techno-brass knuckles with wires running from them up his arm and then under his skin, powered by his Extremis energy). He wants to the world to know that the threat of the Mandarin was no hoax perpetrated by a drunken actor...it is very real and very dangerous.

Then he would seek out Tony to finish the fight he started.
This actually works quite well.

I think Iron Man 3 basically failed to make an excited villain out of Killian while both the character and the actor playing him showed a lot of promises. I have no problem with the twist, no problem with Trevor being a decoy, I even think it's a thoughtfull take on an uninteresting, superficial, cheesy villain, but Killian just ends up being not only a bland version of the Mandarin but a forgettable antagonist all in all.

Your ideas could help make him a bigger threat without resorting to cheap retcons.

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Iron Man 4 should have more Iron Man scenes.

The last 3 movies have been terrible in this department Part 3 had too much Tony(Sorry RDJ)

What is it with later sequels having less Superhero action(Dark Knight Rises, Spider-man 3, Iron Man 3) than previous movies?

Is it a contract thing? The main star is coming back for the third movie so a requirement is he gets more screen time?

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Mandarin is done, no retcons or excuses. The ****ed up move on.

My suggestions:

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Don't repeat the Tony goes from a douchebag to good person storyline again and again.

#2 Go back to belivable tech. Iron Man 1 and 2 had a natural progression. Then Iron Man 3 had his armour fly when it's in pieces and somehow attach to him, he could step in and out of armours all of a sudden making it that anyone could be Iron Man, not to mention the fire guys.

#2 Have Pepper go back to being an outsider of the superhero world. She works better as a spectator than a participant.

#3 Use some villains who aren't connected to Tony.

#4 if there are other armours, have them show their specialities otherwise they're just all the same just visually different to sell toys.

#5 Have Tony likable, like in the first movie.

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or they should just reboot it. 1/3 good movies is not a good record.

Either way Iron Man seems to have run his course imo, there's a reason he never retained icon/flagship statue in the comics.
True on the reboot and with the need of villains not connected to Tony but the Mandarin is still alive and he has been arrested, and if he was done, than both he and Aldrich would have to be dead. Since Mandarin is still alive he aint done, he hasn't used rings yet so they will bring him back for the possible later films if they do them and will evolve Trevor into the ring power Mandarin we truely want

Afterall we should give Kingsley another chance despite what Shne Black says

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I'm going to be honest and say that almost all of these sound absolutely terrible. And thankfully they won't happen because even after the joke that was the Mandarin, I know the powers in charge are not that stupid.

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I'm going to be honest and say that almost all of these sound absolutely terrible. And thankfully they won't happen because even after the joke that was the Mandarin, I know the powers in charge are not that stupid.
Gotta agree.

Reads more like a fanboy's wet dream rather than good writing and film making.

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I honestly wouldn't mind if there wasn't an IM4. IM3 was a great end to the character's story. Use that money and resources to give another hero a chance to shine.

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Iron Man 4 should have more Iron Man scenes.

The last 3 movies have been terrible in this department Part 3 had too much Tony(Sorry RDJ)

What is it with later sequels having less Superhero action(Dark Knight Rises, Spider-man 3, Iron Man 3) than previous movies?

Is it a contract thing? The main star is coming back for the third movie so a requirement is he gets more screen time?
Spider-Man 3 had more action that all the previous and later movies.

There was:

Peter vs New Goblin
Spider-Man saving Gwen
Spider-Man fighting Sandman in the truck
Spider-Man fighting Sandman underground
Spider-Man fighting Venom
Spidey & New Goblin against Sandman & Venom.

Come to think of it SM3 might have had the most action of any superhero movie atm.

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Maybe introduce a mysterious Asian Villain who calls himself Temugin...

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Just introduce Ghost. He'd make an interesting villain.

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Um, people are forgetting that the two most likely villains for Iron Man 4 ARE out for vengeance against him. Madame Masque and Zeke Stane are clearly some of the best choices to use in the sequel. Even Justin Hammer and Spymaster are motivated by jealousy and want to enrich themselves by defeating Iron Man.

That and Ghost, Blizzard, Titanium Man and Living Laser are all usually hired by somebody. They seldom act on their own. I mean, the only villains who aren't really connected to Tony on a personal level and aren't henchmen are Ultimo and Fin Fang Foom. The former lacks a personality and the latter would require a gigantic special effects budget.

Also, Trevor was never the Mandarin and having a washed up junkie be Tony's arch nemesis is even less faithful to the source material. The Mandarin has always been a thug, but he's a trained thug who's disciplined enough to pose a real threat. Trevor is so ridiculous that I can't ever take him seriously as a villain should he reappear. That and doing a PROPER Mandarin means doing the origin of his rings, which means bringing in Brood, which means doing a movie centered around Carol Danvers to introduce the species properly.

I'd rather see something along the lines of Killian surviving as the Mandarin and getting his rings after Captain Marvel or see somebody completely new. Ghost could easily be hired by another villain to bring Stark Industries to bankruptcy, setting up Tony as a homeless drunk. That's a great way to to the Demon in a Bottle storyline. Plus, Zeke Stane would want revenge. He'd have every reason to drive Tony to ruin.

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I agree with this one. Pepper being in the middle of the action in IM3 was terrible IMO. I'd rather see her as a buisiness woman like we saw in IM2/Avengers.

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or they should just reboot it. 1/3 good movies is not a good record.
Says you but plenty of people love Iron Man 1 & 3.

They should bring back Shane Black, that's the easiest way of making sure Iron Man 4 is another great movie.

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Iron Man 4 isn't likely until after Avengers 3, so this won't happen for a while.

But on this topic, I see 2 decent ideas here: either Zeke Stane hires Ghost to get revenge on Stark. Or, the Ten Rings and AIM go to war with one another, and Iron Man gets in the middle.

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Ironman 3 ruined the ten rings ark for me also dont want to see any more of mandarin too
if they are likely to go for ironman 4 they should start something fresh or just stop doing it

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Having Trevor suddenly becoming a thread is an aweful, aweful idea. I didn't like it but Killian is right now the films version of the Mandarin, continue with that.

If you don't want killian then why not introduce a chinese business man named after one of the Mandarin's alias in the comics, this way he wouldn't be considered racist due to his name and we would get the character without retconing Iron Man 3. Yeah i know it would mean another businessman villain but that's the best way to fix things without continuing with Killian, the Mandarin has sort of been reintroduced in modern comics this way.



Though in my opinion they should go on with Killian, he has powers and organizations, and his "death" didn't look like a death at all.
despite claiming himself to be the mandarin, I more or less saw him as being fin fan foom as he breathes fire, has dragons tattood on his back and he created the mandarin

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Iron Man 4 isn't likely until after Avengers 3, so this won't happen for a while.

But on this topic, I see 2 decent ideas here: either Zeke Stane hires Ghost to get revenge on Stark. Or, the Ten Rings and AIM go to war with one another, and Iron Man gets in the middle.
Post-AHTK, this makes the most sense.

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