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Old 08-16-2013, 07:22 PM   #76
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Since Fox has film rights to X-Men Disney/Marvel doesn't care about X-Men.In both Comics and animation X-Men is being pushed to side to futher build up Avengers as be all of Marvel universe.

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Old 08-16-2013, 08:24 PM   #77
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Disney are trying too hard to push Avengers as the definitive Marvel superteam
I remember when the X-Men was the biggest thing Marvel had......

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Old 08-16-2013, 08:26 PM   #78
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It along with Spider-Man are still their best selling comics, and have their best characters.

No matter how much they push Avengers, it will never be as good as X-Men.

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Old 08-16-2013, 09:13 PM   #79
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Lies! The Avengers are just as awesome in their own way.

But, yes, the X-Men do need a new show. Hopefully one that'll last beyond a single season. And one that isn't too kiddie like Iron Man: Armored Adventures. And I pray that this one won't focus so damn much on Wolverine.

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Old 08-17-2013, 12:18 AM   #80
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Agreed!

I want a new X-Men cartoon!

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Old 08-18-2013, 12:26 AM   #81
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I could defiantly go for another X-Men cartoon. Shame Wolverine and X-Men was cancelled. If this next X-Men movie becomes huge then Disney would have to automatically do a show and start doing action figures and video games again if they want profits.

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Old 08-18-2013, 12:50 AM   #82
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Wolverine and the X-Men would be hard to top.

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Old 08-18-2013, 12:58 AM   #83
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Hmmm not really. It lasted for 1 season and most of the episodes focused on Wolverine. The one that is hard to top is the 90s animated series.

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Old 08-18-2013, 01:02 AM   #84
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Wolverine and the X-Men might have had Wolverine as the leader, but it was a very good show. You had the Days of Future Past Storyline as the basis of season 1, and you had Genosha, and also the Phoenix story as well. Season two would have been the age of apocalypse.

All marvel has out now is Avengers assemble, a hulk show and spider-man. Are any of these shows any good?

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Old 08-18-2013, 01:54 AM   #85
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Despite the title, the focus was NOT primarily on Logan. It was a well balanced show, and easily the best X-Men series we've had. I'd put the last 2 seasons of Evolution right after that.

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Old 08-18-2013, 02:41 AM   #86
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I watched the show and most of the episodes focused on Wolverine. Not only that, he appeared like the leader of the team and he was like the only character that appeared in all of the episodes.

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I'm still surprised that Marvel didn't replace WatXM with anything, like they did with Avengers and Spidey. They just decided to not have an X-Men show for awhile.

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Then you watched a different show.

He was in the show just as much as he was in TAS.

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Wolverine and the X-Men was the best In animation we have gotten.Both from design of the entinles and Xavier running around In future with mutants may have influenced DOFP.
And the silver samurai being married to mariko may have influenced the wolverine

Was it perfect?No.

But you had an X-Men team that cahnged lineup during the 26 episodes.Things like Genosha,Magneto as threat,an actual Brotherhood,Bishop was handled much better.

having Nightcrawler In more than 2 episodes and having shadowcat alone makes It better.I am not big fan of emma frost with Cyclops In comics but they handled Emma well
that both old time fans and newer ones could enjoy.

The fact there hasn't been another X-Men animated show besides the anime says all we need to know how they view X-Men.

wolverine and the X-Men Is only animated version I own on DVD.

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Old 08-18-2013, 01:04 PM   #90
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I kind of disliked the Wolverine and the X-Men character designs, X-Men Evolution won in that department.

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Old 08-18-2013, 01:11 PM   #91
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Agreed, though both were vastly superior to the garbage TAS tried to pass off as designs and animation.

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Agreed, though both were vastly superior to the garbage TAS tried to pass off as designs and animation.
Ah, the 90s animation where bigger and bulkier designs, even for the thinner characters was all the rage. Lets not forget the pads and random pockets for no reason.

Having recently rewatched all three shows, the 90s series had some of the more mature and better writing. But that animation and much of the voice acting was pretty horrific. XE had a great final season and a half and much better animation, but too many stupid stories and was way too kiddie. W&TX was kinda hit and miss depending on the episode and gave us a weak Storm, a pouty and ineffective Cyclops, but we also got a lot of focus on Beast, Nightcrawler and others.

None of the shows were perfect. I can see why anyone would prefer a certain one over another.

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I kind of disliked the Wolverine and the X-Men character designs, X-Men Evolution won in that department.
Agreed. I loved X-Men Evolution.

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Old 08-18-2013, 10:30 PM   #94
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Then you watched a different show.

He was in the show just as much as he was in TAS.
No I didn't.

There were actually episodes in TAS where Wolverine wasn't included.

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No it wouldn't. That show sucked!

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No I didn't.

There were actually episodes in TAS where Wolverine wasn't included.
Remember X_Men went 5 seasons for 76 Episodes.Wolverine and the X-Men
only had 26.Wolverine was In most of X-Men.And he was generaly playing key part of episode.

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Agreed. I loved X-Men Evolution.
Would you agree that it didn't really start to get good until season 3?

Season 1 and 2 were good only in their finales.

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No it wouldn't. That show sucked!
Please! It was great! It was the best X-men animated show produced thus far as someone else mentioned. I wanted so bad to see the Age of Apocalypse second season. I hope Marvel/Disney decided to continue it.

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Yeah, have a hard time seeing what was bad about it. It was beautifully animated, fantastically voice cast, had adult themes, a great season-long storyline, and was incredibly well balanced.

What's not to like?

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For all of its off-model animation, frequently overdone and unintentionally hilarious vocal work and occasionally bad characterization and writing, the X-Men animated series from the 90s remains the definitive televised incarnation of the beloved comic characters. Wolverine and the X-Men tries valiantly to recapture the magic of that series, and nearly succeeds. Its failures are fairly routine for any of the non-comic incarnations of these characters, but at least this thing has ambition and plays off some of the lingering mysteries at the core of the series.

Whatís a major pity is that weíll never be treated to a second season of this show, which had a tremendous amount of potential to expand and really go into darker and dramatically interesting places. And the whole thing starts off with a big bang. As Wolverine, who became the de facto X-related mascot after the animated series proved so popular and was cemented by the filmís insistence on centering on him, strolls through the mansion, a large explosion occurs taking out Jean Grey and Professor X. She appears to be dead for much of the time, and Xaiver is, somehow, in a coma, which he awakens from in an alternate dystopian future which owes a debt to the ďDays of Future PastĒ storyline, amongst a few others.

Of course any movie or television series based upon so sprawling and labyrinthine a mythology as X-Men will need to condense, edit and re-contextualize the whole thing for the new medium and the story they want to focus on. Marvel demanded a product to align with X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and itís astonishing that this didnít turn out as clumsy or truly awful as the first season and a half of X-Men: Evolution.

Borrowing liberally from any/all eras, the show presents us with familiar character developments, back-stories and story lines that feel like Cliffís Notes X-Men by this point: Cyclops/Wolverine rivalry and respect, Storm vs Shadow King, Magneto as misunderstood leader, Senator Kelly and his xenophobic political scheming, Emma Frostís roguish ally, Jean Grey and the Phoenix Ė each of these stories come up at some point in time, and theyíre well known and well-worn by any fan of the material.

So the show doesnít break any new ground with these stories, and the Phoenix force stuff is heavily rushed at the end of the season, but at least it provides a chance to see newer characters and stories get a chance to shine. The Stepford Cuckoos, Dust, the ďAge of Apocalypse,Ē amongst many other things too numerous to mention, get cameos, are hinted at for future exploration or get entire episodes dedicated to them. Itís a nice mix of the old and the new.

However, the series does continue the same problem of focusing too much on Wolverine, who works best as a supporting player, and giving short shift to other equally important and popular characters. Namely, Cyclops and Storm, who frequently appear in episodes, but donít do much. They get one or two episodes to really standout, but are otherwise taken out of the action very quickly (which is out of character for both of them), or donít appear for several episodes at a time. Itís disheartening to witness, but seeing Beast, Nightcrawler, Angel and Emma Frost being given a chance in the spotlight is quite lovely. Often they get stuck in smaller supporting roles despite being major players in the books.

But I suppose concessions must be made in any format that isnít a comic. There simply isnít enough room to include all of these characters in a satisfying way and develop them all. Someoneís favorite is going to get the shaft. (And much like the movies, itís mine. Why is it so hard for people to get Storm right?)

Wolverine and the X-Men could have benefited from borrowing more liberally from the 90s cartoons it so clearly tries to imitate. X-Men and Batman: The Animated Series werenít afraid to feature episodes that were quiet and hardly had any action in them, choosing instead to buildup characters and create more realistic drama. Wolverine should have done the same. We didnít need an episode with Nick Fury, Wendigo and a prolonged battle between Wolverine and the Hulk. It doesnít factor much into the season as a whole, feeling instead like a piece of filler to hit the 20+ episode marker it needed for a complete season order.

Itís always a fun time, but it could have saved some of the stories and characters for future seasons, choosing instead to buff up the development and play out a few stories in a more organic and satisfying way. Phoenix and ďAge of ApocalypseĒ are great things to cover, but not in the final three episodes of your season. Granted, AoA was a teaser, and I would have loved to have seen that one play out. Itís clear that the creators have a deep love and respect for the material, but they didnít need to stuff everything into one season. After all, all of this ambition, energy and fun could have lasted this show for years. Itís not their fault it was cancelled, blame the network brass and financing issues.


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Never understood the hate for X-men Evolution, seems like just fanboy complains that it's set in highschool and the mutants are still not widelly known, 2 things i really liked in the show, as well as the slow building up of the team.

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