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156 | 59.54% |
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106 | 40.46% |
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#101 |
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Yeah Gaurdians of the Galaxy, Thanos, Ultron, etc all fit perfectly in Nolan-verse where even the Lazarus Pit and Bane's venom were too unrealistic.
[/end sarcasm] Oh and Man of Steel was forgettable. Realism did not help it AT ALL.
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Do you actually understand what the Nolan approach was? I'm genuinely asking because you seem to be under the impression that Nolan's way of thinking was entirely about 'realism'.
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What, to you, distinguishes Nolan's approach from other superhero movies?
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You didn't answer my question. Nolan's approach has always been about making the best possible movie and not being confined to the conventions the genre had instilled in the past. The plausibility or realism thing is just an aesthetics choice, it doesn't even come into play because that's just Nolan's way of thinking, whether it be Batman, Inception or The Prestige, that's just his style, not just story but the use of practical effects, his intention is to make his world's as believable as possible. Underneath that style however is a desire to give the audience something they haven't seen before and to expand beyond the conventions. Why shouldn't a superhero film strive to be more than just a colourful cape and outrageous villain? Why can't we tell a serious story? There's nothing to say that you have to do that in a realistic fashion is there? Have we not had fantastical movies in the past have serious tones? Thing is this is exactly what Marvel has started doing post Avengers. I was actually shocked at how different IM3 was, it wasn't just different from Avengers it was different from the preceding IM films. Look at Thor 2, does that look like a conventional superhero movie? They are striving to do something similar to what Nolan did, they are looking to move beyond the conventions the genre is known for, only they aesthetic choices are different.
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TDK by far. Avengers was good, but VASTLY overrated!
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I think there's people bandying about the term "realism" without actually knowing what it means. "Realism" isn't about taking away the fantastic; that's adding a sense of plausibility and versimilitude to the film. "Realism" is where people have the kind of reaction you'd expect to a certain situation.
@Sentinel: Nolan had the advantage of being able to make his own films, without being constrained by long-running plans or a shared universe.
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I'm not sure why there's this denial that Nolan's approach embraces plausibility over imagination. It's more than obvious. and movies like IM3, MOS, and ASM following TDK's grounded approach doesn't really help your argument. The all pale in comparison to Avengers which blows them all away in term of pure entertainment value. Not all superheroes need the imagination sucked away. Even Batman could use some these days.
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Synonyms: probable - likely - credible - believable -possible
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The poll has one vote that should have been in TDK's favor, but went to Avengers by mistake
The Dark Knight. Just look at my current signature to see
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My rule of thumb is "ignore anyone who uses the words 'elevate' or 'transcend.'" A movie should not try to escape its genre, it should try to *embody* the genre. Its code word for "Genre films are inferior trash, but I like this one, so even though its clearly a crime drama/sci-fi movie/superhero film/whatever, I am going to pretend that it isn't."
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Newsflash, not every comic book deals with fantastical concepts. Many of them tell stories about everyday people dealing with situations that happen to the most of us. The only difference b/w them and "novels" is that one tells the story with visuals at times while another uses only dialogue. Quote:
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Words Avenger fans are not allowed to use:
Nolanite Imagination Pretentious Genre Elevate Transcend and we're told this by people more condescending than Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons... but we're supposedly the closed minded fanboys, not them. lol, nice spin fellas.
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For all your talk about Nolan eschewing imaginative villains and fantasy concepts, I just don't see it. Joker's backstory - "You wanna know how I got these scars" - and overarching goal are straight from the comics. The backstory is a direct reference to his preference for a multiple-choice origin, while his overcarhcing goal is adapted from The Killing Joke; replace Jim Gordon with TDK's Harvey Dent. I don't believe that you could look at Nolan's Two-face and honestly tell yourself that the scarring isn't a fantasy concept. A guy that badly scarred shouldn't be near as vocal as Dent was, and would likely have screamed himself raw after throwing back that shot of whiskey.
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Did Nolan and co brainstorm to make Batman plausible? Yes. That doesn't automatically mean the end product can be considered imaginative.
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So is TDK. The movie is just another Dark Knight Rises without Heath Ledger's iconic performance.
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And The Avengers is just another Fantastic Four without the overhyped crossover factor.
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2) I'm not saying TDK is terrible (like Fantastic Four) without Heath's Joker just not a classic.
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Ledger, Oldman, Eckhart and Bale's performances range from on par to better than any performance in TA.
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The more I watch the Avengers the more overrated it seems to be. I'm strongly against using the word "overrated" very often, if at all, but the Avengers is literally the second thing I have thought is truly overrated. It's good, but there a far better comic book movies. I consider Iron Man to be an excellent movie and the prime example how to make a MCU movie.
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A Few Good Men has better performances than Back to the Future. That doesn't make A Few Good Men automatically better.
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