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Old 08-28-2013, 10:34 AM   #926
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The Dark Knight Rises is no where near the quality of the first two.

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Cheered when Letty (Michelle Rodriguez) died in Fast & Furious. Hated it when she "got better" in FF 6. Also cheered when her character died in Lost and Resident Evil. I really can't stand her. Maybe it has to do with her permanent scowl.


I can't stand her either. She plays the same character in just about every film she's in.

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Cheered when Letty (Michelle Rodriguez) died in Fast & Furious. Hated it when she "got better" in FF 6. Also cheered when her character died in Lost and Resident Evil. I really can't stand her. Maybe it has to do with her permanent scowl.
The only character of hers I liked was in Avatar, and of course she got killed off there too. She's like the female Sean Bean.

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Michelle Rodriguez always looks angry.

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Old 08-28-2013, 12:57 PM   #930
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The Dark Knight Rises is no where near the quality of the first two.
I'd rank it about equally with Batman Begins, but that's mostly due to the fact that TDKR has the advantage of Bane and Begins has the disadvantage of Katie Holmes. You remove either of those factors from their respective films and I'd rank BB higher than TDKR.

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Not wanting a Moon Knight movie isn't an unpopular opinion. Not because Moon Knight isn't popular himself, but because he's pretty low on the list as far as knowledge goes. Most people either don't know him, or thing he's an alternate costume that Batman wore in the '90s.
Let me put it this way: This thread is the only way I've ever seen anyone talk about a Moon Knight movie. I think people who don't want a Moon Knight movie can breath easy for a good decade or two, if Marvel doesn't get the rights to X-Men or Spider-Man. If they do get those back, then they can forget about it forever.

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"Everyone can be Batman" is not true. You need ninja training, be in top physical shape and have a few billion in the bank.
Congratulations on misquoting and then missing the point.

He says "Batman could be anybody". He doesn't literally mean BATMAN. Batman is being used as a synonym for 'hero' there. Meaning anybody can be a hero. Meaning it doesn't matter who was actually under the mask, just that it was a citizen of Gotham who stood up against evil... That even the more normal people can be good. "Even a man doing something as simple and reassuring, as putting a coat around a young boys shoulders.... To show him that the world hadn't ended."

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There shouldn't be any more Iron Man movies for a long, long time. Maybe never again. The same goes for Captain America and Thor once they wrap it up.

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There shouldn't be any more Iron Man movies for a long, long time. Maybe never again. The same goes for Captain America and Thor once they wrap it up.

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Old 08-29-2013, 08:23 PM   #935
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There shouldn't be any more Iron Man movies for a long, long time. Maybe never again. The same goes for Captain America and Thor once they wrap it up.

They're not going to wrap it up for another ten years. At which point they'll just recast the characters.

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There shouldn't be, but there WILL be. As much as I love seeing the current "phase" of characters, Marvel should get going with more new characters (Ms Marvel, Black Panther, Inhumans etc)

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I guess we'll have to wait until after Avengers 2. Unless you count Guardians of the Galaxy , which looks great. I'd like to know what's going on with Daredevil.

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He's laughing at the absurdity of the notion that marvel will never make another iron man movie (or cap, or Thor) when they've been so largely successful.

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The fact that Hugh Jackman does such a good job in the role makes me not mind wolverine's over exposure in the x movieverse as much as I should.

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I'm very tired of the entire X-Men series with the exception of First Class being "Wolverine and Friends".

I think Tom Hardy is awesome, but I think Bane was "meh" and his two speeches in the football stadium and even worse in front of Blackgate Prison make me cringe with how goofy and ridiculous he sounds, and I think part of it was the "what were they thinking?" level of voice distortion effects, and partly Hardy doing some weird-ass voice and being a scenery-munching ham in those scenes.

Michelle Rodriguez and Kristen Stewart both act exactly the same in every single movie they are ever in. I don't really get why critics bash Stewart in Twilight but act like she's a good actress in other stuff, because she acts the same.

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X-Men: First Class managed to miss the point on just about every single allegory that the X-Men series tackles - on sexism, on racism, and so on, by being itself a subtly racist, sexist, film.

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This isn't directed at anybody here, but I think homophobic or racist X-Men fans are hilarious.

That's like hating Native Americans and having Avatar as your favorite movie.

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I'm black and I don't think I've ever gotten any racist or sexist vibes from First Class. Hmm..

If you're talking about that Shaw comment and look at Darwin, I didn't find that racist at all, I saw Shaw trying to convince him to join him.

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This isn't directed at anybody here, but I think homophobic or racist X-Men fans are hilarious.

That's like hating Native Americans and having Avatar as your favorite movie.
I've never met any, but I imagine it would be fairly hilarious to see. Surely, the concept of allegory can't be THAT hard to grasp.

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I'm black and I don't think I've ever gotten any racist or sexist vibes from First Class. Hmm..

If you're talking about that Shaw comment and look at Darwin, I didn't find that racist at all, I saw Shaw trying to convince him to join him.
X-Men were created as characters who took on incredibly obvious parallels to the Civil Rights and Women's rights movements - they were downtreaden minorities who were not afforded rights and alienated in society.

First Class takes place at the same time as these events, and comparisons are explicitly drawn throughout the film. This is good.

HOWEVER - the first hero to die is the only major good black character, whose power is not dying. The other main black hero character, who is also a woman, turns evil on entirely spurious and ill-developed grounds. The only Jewish character becomes a villain (which would be okay if it was just Magneto, but every other non-anglo-saxon character being shafted only makes this bad). The main female character has her mind wiped in a very uncomfortable scene at the end, and her closing scene is a vaguely self-aware sexist joke.

The films ends with the only ones left in Xavier's good guy block being white males, while Magneto's supposedly dangerous and radical wing comes across (unintentionally) as much better, being multi-ethnic, having women, and being more diverse and accepting. None of this was done deliberately by the film makers, but the fact that this managed to happen unintentionally says a lot for how little aware the makers were in crafting their own tale of oppressed persons who are marginalised in society, by managing to marginalise people who actually are oppressed person that are marginalised by society.

EDIT: Oh, and every female character was sexualised, with some in very contrived ways - like Moira pulling her clothes off in practically the first scene we see her in.

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X-Men were created as characters who took on incredibly obvious parallels to the Civil Rights and Women's rights movements - they were downtreaden minorities who were not afforded rights and alienated in society.

First Class takes place at the same time as these events, and comparisons are explicitly drawn throughout the film. This is good.

HOWEVER - the first hero to die is the only major good black character, whose power is not dying. The other main black hero character, who is also a woman, turns evil on entirely spurious and ill-developed grounds. The Communists and non-Americans are portrayed as two-dimensional villains. The only Jewish character becomes a villain (which would be okay if it was just Magneto, but every other non-anglo-saxon character being shafted only makes this bad). The main female character has her mind wiped in a very uncomfortable scene at the end, and her closing scene is a vaguely self-aware sexist joke.

The films ends with the only ones left in Xavier's good guy block being white males, while Magneto's supposedly dangerous and radical wing comes across (unintentionally) as much better, being multi-ethnic, having women, and being more diverse and accepting. None of this was done deliberately by the film makers, but the fact that this managed to happen unintentionally says a lot for how little aware the makers were in crafting their own tale of oppressed persons who are marginalised in society, by managing to marginalise people who actually are oppressed person that are marginalised by society.

EDIT: Oh, and every female character was sexualised, with some in very contrived ways - like Moira pulling her clothes off in practically the first scene we see her in.
Hmm, Ok. Well, with the black hero dying first... the black character dies first in just about every other movie out there. It's an old joke I could care less about. If Bishop dies first in DoFP though give me a call dude. We're storming FOX!

I tend to just accept it that black characters in a majority of big blockbusters or superhero movies will most likely get the short end of the stick. At the same time though, it can also be very easy to nitpick about the mistakes they made with them if they're in the movies. For example, while I haven't read much on it but I wouldn't be surprised if I read 'complaints' about Electro in ASM 2. Even though I think Jamie Foxx is a cool choice for him I could pretend to go off and say 'Of course they paint him blue!' 'Why did Gambol have to die first in TDK!' etc etc.

I thought it was pretty weak to see Darwin go out but you can always look at it in several ways instead of just saying of course they kill the black one. You can argue that Darwin was the only one brave enough and willing to stand up to Shaw in that moment and ended up being the sacrifice that pulled the younger X-Men together. Maybe not the ideal scenario for a lot of people but it's not a crime to look at it that way either.

The other things you brought up were surprising and I never really looked at the characters that were Jewish or non-American specifically like that. Since the X-Men and this movie is mainly about the US, not to mention during the Cuban Missile Crisis, I'm not surprised that the other countries had a bit of an evil edge to them.

But anyways, that's a deep analysis of the movie and every character. If that's how you feel about them then I won't tell you you're wrong as it's your opinion. I'll say that I don't feel as strongly about the issues with race or possible sexism in that movie in particular. It seems in a way like you are asking for the perfect X-Men movie, which does everything right, with all of it's characters and themes. I just don't know if that will happen anytime soon. This is honestly the first time I heard of people having those problems with First Class, except for the camera lingering on Darwin after Shaw said 'enslaved' which made sense and didn't offend me.

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Michelle Rodriguez and Kristen Stewart both act exactly the same in every single movie they are ever in. I don't really get why critics bash Stewart in Twilight but act like she's a good actress in other stuff, because she acts the same.
One reason I never believe there is anything as quality acting is this, not only for those two, even Sean Connery, Daniel Day Lewis, Keanu Reeves, etc... they all do that, play the same way every other movie

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I don't really know how you could possibly have Keanu Reeves and Daniel Day-Lewis in the same sentence together regarding acting range...

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I wanted to add Adam Sandler as well, also Rob Schneider

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