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Old 08-31-2013, 06:15 PM   #251
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This is probably not the thread for it, but I strongly disagree. Indeed, prior to Marvel's new phases, I'd say Nolan more than any other filmmaker drew directly from the source material. He may have toned everything down visually or with exposition, but he took directly from about seven iconic Batman stories and graphic novels when he made his trilogy, and it shows.
I do think the core of the characters were good and stayed true to the comics.

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2. The Amazing Spider-Man: This is a bad movie. But because it has no elements of camp and Peter Parker makes quips, fans have convinced themselves it is good. 'Nuff said.
No campiness doesn't make it a good movie. Just a better movie.

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The Avengers is so freaking praised and so not impressive that iīd have to say it is the most overrated comic book movie ever. To me a movie with some good action scenes and a couple of cool one liners is not worth being considered a masterpiece. It is really not that different than any other super hero movie, with the exception of having a little better dialogue and better visuals. Story is very important to me and The Avengers fails on that aspect.

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I thought i was the only one who felt so underwhelmed at The Avengers lack of meaning and story and emotion and substance and y'know filmmaking stuff.

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I thought i was the only one who felt so underwhelmed at The Avengers lack of meaning and story and emotion and substance and y'know filmmaking stuff.
I think a good percentage of the people who love that movie so much donīt really care about that stuff. I know for a fact that a lot of people just wanna see good action and good visual effects.

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The Avengers is so freaking praised and so not impressive that iīd have to say it is the most overrated comic book movie ever. To me a movie with some good action scenes and a couple of cool one liners is not worth being considered a masterpiece. It is really not that different than any other super hero movie, with the exception of having a little better dialogue and better visuals. Story is very important to me and The Avengers fails on that aspect.
I'm there too. I think they had all these characters with their own franchises and couldn't/didn't want to give them any progression to their respective stories so they could do it in their respective movies. On e way or the other you're right, it was all about the razzle dazzle.

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I'm there too. I think they had all these characters with their own franchises and couldn't/didn't want to give them any progression to their respective stories so they could do it in their respective movies. On e way or the other you're right, it was all about the razzle dazzle.
Yap.

Weīre gonna put all these characters together and make them destroy NY fighting Aliens. Ok. Thatīs fine. Letīs just not call it the greatest thing ever.

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Iron Man.

Uninteresting villain, and it's hard to look past the idiocy of the Iron Man suit being built in a week from spare parts in a cave.


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Uninteresting villain, and it's hard to look past the idiocy of the Iron Man suit being built in a week from spare parts in a cave.
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I think a good percentage of the people who love that movie so much donīt really care about that stuff. I know for a fact that a lot of people just wanna see good action and good visual effects.
Too much Bayism in movies has spoiled the Audience but they just won't realize it

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The most overrated films are (according to this thread) TA,TDKR,TDK,BB,SM2 and TASM.

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The Dark Knight Rises comes first to mind. It's a great film, but no way near as great as many make it seem. It isn't even close to top TDK in my opinion.

Spider-Man 2 is a little overrated as well if you ask me. Again, it's a great film, but lots of people seem to think it's THE greatest CBM, up there with TDK. I just can't agree with that.

X2 is a little overrated as well. Many people say it's the best X-Men film. I'd say it's below The Wolverine and First Class. The first half is great but there's something about the second half I enjoy much less.

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If just based on the fan community--as the GA really has not raved years later about any of them, other than the very not-overrated TDK and TDKR classics--I would say:

1. The Avengers: I like the movie. I own the movie. It is a terrific piece of popcorn entertainment...but there is not much plot to speak of and it certainly drags for much of the first 70 or 80 minutes until they're all on the Hellicarrier, and even then things like Agent Coulson's death ring a little hollow.

A good movie that has iconic visuals and terrific Whedon dialogue? Sure. "This generation's Star Wars?" Hardly.

2. The Amazing Spider-Man: This is a bad movie. But because it has no elements of camp and Peter Parker makes quips, fans have convinced themselves it is good. 'Nuff said.

3. Superman II: A fun movie. But it is not as good as STM, because while Zod is great, the pacing drags big time in the second act and Superman/Lois really is not that interesting. Again, I like this movie, but when I see some call it the best superhero sequel of all time I suppress an eye roll.

4. Iron Man (2008): Another movie that I like. I just don't see why so many consider it a masterpiece. Jon Favreau borrowed the formula from Richard Donner, with all the flourishes and added ironing provided for by Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan...and that's it. Story wise, it is almost the same plot as BB, the real stand out is RDJ. He is amazing in the role and makes a decent film great. But not the best origin story ever and certainly not one that reinvents the wheel. Honestly, you can turn the movie off after Tony saves the F-22s because the third act is just a mess, save for Jeff Bridges' one great moment when he steals Tony's reactor.

5. Captain America: A totally mediocre and forgettable film, yet some love it because it is set in the 1940s. That doesn't make it good when the plot literally stops halfway through and it turns into a 60 minute prologue to The Avengers. If you want a good pulpy comic book film, check out the director's other, superior, variation on the subject: The Rocketeer.

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I must say that you sure as hell oversimplify opinions you don't agree with. Such an arrogant attitude makes it hard to take you seriously.

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If just based on the fan community--as the GA really has not raved years later about any of them, other than the very not-overrated TDK and TDKR classics--I would say:

1. The Avengers: I like the movie. I own the movie. It is a terrific piece of popcorn entertainment...but there is not much plot to speak of and it certainly drags for much of the first 70 or 80 minutes until they're all on the Hellicarrier, and even then things like Agent Coulson's death ring a little hollow.

A good movie that has iconic visuals and terrific Whedon dialogue? Sure. "This generation's Star Wars?" Hardly.

2. The Amazing Spider-Man: This is a bad movie. But because it has no elements of camp and Peter Parker makes quips, fans have convinced themselves it is good. 'Nuff said.

3. Superman II: A fun movie. But it is not as good as STM, because while Zod is great, the pacing drags big time in the second act and Superman/Lois really is not that interesting. Again, I like this movie, but when I see some call it the best superhero sequel of all time I suppress an eye roll.

4. Iron Man (2008): Another movie that I like. I just don't see why so many consider it a masterpiece. Jon Favreau borrowed the formula from Richard Donner, with all the flourishes and added ironing provided for by Sam Raimi and Chris Nolan...and that's it. Story wise, it is almost the same plot as BB, the real stand out is RDJ. He is amazing in the role and makes a decent film great. But not the best origin story ever and certainly not one that reinvents the wheel. Honestly, you can turn the movie off after Tony saves the F-22s because the third act is just a mess, save for Jeff Bridges' one great moment when he steals Tony's reactor.

5. Captain America: A totally mediocre and forgettable film, yet some love it because it is set in the 1940s. That doesn't make it good when the plot literally stops halfway through and it turns into a 60 minute prologue to The Avengers. If you want a good pulpy comic book film, check out the director's other, superior, variation on the subject: The Rocketeer.

My two cents on the topic.
I agree with points 1, 2, 3, and 5. Although, I don't call TASM bad and I like CA:TFA a bit more than you.


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Well,I agree with him on TASM,at least.

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Captain America is just an average movie at best. I don't know why people said it was great when the main villain was weak and was easily defeated by Captain America. Then there's also that weak approach to Bucky's death.

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I must say that you sure as hell oversimplify opinions you don't agree with. Such an arrogant attitude makes it hard to take you seriously.
Sorry Oscorp but I don't think DACrowe is arragont. While I disagree with her on the likes of TASM I enjoy debating with her and think she makes good points and doesn't come across as a dick. She's just saying why dans overrate these movies in a nutshell.

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If just based on the fan community--as the GA really has not raved years later about any of them, other than the very not-overrated TDK and TDKR classics--I would say:

1. The Avengers: I like the movie. I own the movie. It is a terrific piece of popcorn entertainment...but there is not much plot to speak of and it certainly drags for much of the first 70 or 80 minutes until they're all on the Hellicarrier, and even then things like Agent Coulson's death ring a little hollow.

A good movie that has iconic visuals and terrific Whedon dialogue? Sure. "This generation's Star Wars?" Hardly.
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3. Superman II: A fun movie. But it is not as good as STM, because while Zod is great, the pacing drags big time in the second act and Superman/Lois really is not that interesting. Again, I like this movie, but when I see some call it the best superhero sequel of all time I suppress an eye roll.
I don't really think Superman II is overrated. Its problems are well documented. It has just got a lot of attention lately because it did Zod better than MoS. Stamp and Reeve are regarded as great, not so much the film itself. You aren't wrong in what you say. I just don't think it gets nearly as much praise as you think it does.

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Dead on. Much like Superman II, Iron Man is a great character. The films he's in, not so much. Unlike Superman II, this one actually is regarded as a classic for some reason.

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You are right about the problems, but they didn't bother me as much as they seem to do you. I did think this was a legitimately great film up until the point Cap returns from rescuing Bucky and his regiment, at which point it goes off the rails. I guess I just enjoyed the first half enough to recommend it.

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Captain America is just an average movie at best. I don't know why people said it was great when the main villain was weak and was easily defeated by Captain America. Then there's also that weak approach to Bucky's death.
Probably because they thought other things, like the entire portrayal of Steve Rogers, were both incredibly good and more important. It had its weaknesses, sure, but it also had its strengths, and those strengths were, IMO, more important.

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I've always thought X-Men Uno was a bit rough around the edges. The characterizations are pretty great and the plot is good enough, but it's kind of...compacted. All too short, too low budget.

At the same time it's easy to think that in the year of The Wolverine and Man of Steel. Eventually the series bloomed and X2 is a very solid movie. It broadened the themes of the first and gave a grander spectacle.

Now, I think we all gave a pass to Batman Begins for being a serious take on the franchise, but looking back on it it's not that great. The fighting is pretty poor and the villains were not really that interesting.

But it's probably the most detailed superhero origin story to date, what with depicting everything down to buying supplies. The rough early days. Too bad they decided the days were going to stay mostly that rough forever because that's "realistic".


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I've always thought X-Men Uno was a bit rough around the edges. The characterizations are pretty great and the plot is good enough, but it's kind of...compacted. All too short, too low budget.

At the same time it's easy to think that in the year of The Wolverine and Man of Steel. Eventually the series bloomed and X2 is a very solid movie. It broadened the themes of the first and gave a grander spectacle.

Now, I think we all gave a pass to Batman Begins for being a serious take on the franchise, but looking back on it it's not that great. The fighting is pretty poor and the villains were not really that interesting.

But it's probably the most detailed superhero origin story to date, what with depicting everything down to buying supplies. The rough early days. Too bad they decided the days were going to stay mostly that rough forever because that's "realistic".
True.I gave it a pass originally,thinking "Heck,it's the early years.Sure, things will get more fantastic and sophisticated in the sequels."Didn't quite work out that way,but it's still one of my favorites.

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