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Old 09-08-2013, 12:22 PM   #501
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Mar-Vell hasn't been Captain Marvel in decades, in fact he's been dead, so calling him the "real" Capt. Marvel is inaccurate. I really do dislike when fans call a particular version the "real" one when what they actually mean is "my favorite" one. They're have been like three Capt. Marvels since he died.
That's not the point. Carol has been Ms Marvel. Mar-Vell was the first Captain Marvel. So yeah, there is a bias. He is the archetype of "Captain Marvel", to me, and to many others, when it comes to Marvel comics, Mar-vell is Captain Marvel. The Kree. Who has had beef with Thanos, and involved with the avengers..etc so yes, seeing Carol, who was first Ms Marvel would not feel right. The fact that the there have been three isn't the point. Mar-vell was the first, and arguable the "best"

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I'd be very surprised if Mar-Vell wasn't in a Ms. Marvel movie anyway

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Old 09-08-2013, 01:12 PM   #503
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I think they should adapt the first captain marvel before Carol, while Thanos is still around, i would like him to have a big role in the confrontation against Thanos in fact.

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I'd be very surprised if Mar-Vell wasn't in a Ms. Marvel movie anyway
yeah, id like to see a film where she becomes ms marvel halfway through it or something

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No, Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch have never been X-Men and they are completely Avengers characters (over 90% of the comics they've been in are Avengers related, especially Wanda). Fox can use them solely because they're mutants, but in terms of their actual role in the comics, they have very little connection to the X-Men side of stories other than a few story arcs every other decade.

Quicksilver was a part of X-Force in the 90's, but that's the largest connection they've ever had to them up until the past decade.
He seems to be Magneto's ally in DOFP, which fits his role in the X-Men comics.

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Quicksilver and SW's biggest connection to the X-Men is their father. They have much greater ties to the Avengers, especially SW, and Pietro has connections to the Inhumans through Crystal and Luna. Also, I don't want Mar-Vell to have his own movie. One, it would mean that we'd have to wait EVEN LONGER for a female led solo movie, and two, he can just appear in Carol's movie, and die a third of the way through and she takes over.

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Also Ms. Marvel is an outdated name in 2013.

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It wasn't really outdated until 2013.

I would say to be accurate have her first movie be titled Ms. Marvel and the sequel Captain Marvel.

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Also Ms. Marvel is an outdated name in 2013.
so is "Superman"

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Mar-vell and Carol should both appear in Gotg 2... Mar-Vell should die at the end of the film and pass his powers onto Carol. Build up carol and make her enjoyable the entire time (like Peggy Carter) and then go on to do a solo "ms Marvel" film, or "Captain Marvel" I see people giving her the name Ms Marvel, but her hero name could be Captain, or even just Carol

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so is "Superman"
Superman as a character is outdated

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At least they don't call him Mr. Superman, that would be stupid. You don't need to call attention to her gender (just having her as the star of a solo movie would due that).

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Not true, and imo MOS proved you wrong man.

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At least they don't call him Mr. Superman, that would be stupid. You don't need to call attention to her gender (just having her as the star of a solo movie would due that).
.... that's because the name "superman" is complete.... you wouldn't call a hero simply "Marvel" either.

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Not true, and imo MOS proved you wrong man.
to be fair, they changed quite alot in order to make it fit though

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Why does she have to be called Ms. you're deliberately reducing her to her gender. Captain Marvel works better.

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Yeah, MoS was not far from SINO.

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.... that's because the name "superman" is complete.... you wouldn't call a hero simply "Marvel" either.
Yeah, or just "Invincible"

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Why does she have to be called Ms. you're deliberately reducing her to her gender. Captain Marvel works better.
Because Carol's also a fiesty and flirty woman at the same time... she can own the gender name. what.. we going to stop calling Iron Man by his name because it's not gender neutral? come on now

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Because Carol's also a fiesty and flirty woman at the same time... she can own the gender name. what.. we going to stop calling Iron Man by his name because it's not gender neutral? come on now
True, Ms. Marvel isnt much different than "Wonder Woman"

Just putting the gender term at the beginning instead of the end. We wouldnt want them to call her just "Wonder" or worse "Amazon" in a movie

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They can just call her Warbird.

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Or we can just call her CAPTAIN MARVEL, what is so wrong with that?

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The title, for some fans, will be remembered in association with Mar-Vell, while Marvel has been trying to apply it to Carol, with the relaunched book.

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Or we can just call her CAPTAIN MARVEL, what is so wrong with that?
What is so wrong with Ms. marvel? What is so wrong with that. This is apples and oranges. Doesn't make a difference.

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The title, for some fans, will be remembered in association with Mar-Vell, while Marvel has been trying to apply it to Carol, with the relaunched book.
THIS.

Marvel re-branded the Danvers character as "Captain Marvel" just a few months ago, whereas Captain Mar-Vell held the title since 1967. I no more consider her to be Captain Marvel than I consider Bucky to be Captain America.

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