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Old 08-11-2013, 05:58 PM   #126
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Thanks! I guessed that in terms of the comic books, WWII did play a more important role... I just thought that, judging by but the films, it came off as random, or rather contextless (for those not familiar with the comic books of course).
How can it be random or contextless when it linked to the rest of the movie? The man Wolverine saved in that scene invites him to Japan decades later, seemingly to say thanks but, it transpires, for other reasons.

Wolverine gets a further flashback when he is at Nagasaki with Mariko, and she says how her father says the recovery and redevelopment of the city shows that everything can heal and find peace again, maybe even Wolverine.

The WWII stuff was integral to the plot of the film!

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:03 PM   #127
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Thanks! I guessed that in terms of the comic books, WWII did play a more important role... I just thought that, judging by but the films, it came off as random, or rather contextless (for those not familiar with the comic books of course).
Don't mention it.

But yeah...Logan fought in WW2. In fact, he's got quite a few memorable WW2 stories in the comics...that story i mentioned earlier, his first meeting with Captain America etc

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:11 PM   #128
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Not at all random or arbitrary but the narrative structure that led to Wolverine getting on that plane to go to Japan. i thought it worked fine.
You are right. Starting off with WWII served as frame for further actions. I am just wondering how much of a frame was needed though. Someone wanting Logan's immortality is not inevitably chained to something that happened in a certain past to a certain time.


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I loved that bullet train sequence. I don't see how an action scene ruins all the characterisation that comes before or after it. That characterisation still exists.
The characterisation did still exist, true, but the action scenes weakened the whole point of it. A film lives from action scenes but I thought that they were just too much...in my eyes A and B didn't lead to C, meaning that the important elements (such as action, character development, love interest etc) didn't go hand in hand. I had the feeling the film was deconstructing itself from the inside out.

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And the heart surgery scene was him overcoming the suppression of his healing power. There had to be some sort of mechanism for the suppression of that mutant power, and therefore that mechanism would then be removed.
It was cleverly done to keep a 12A rating. It was also there to follow on from Yukio's revelation that she saw him die, and thus introducing the idea of vulnerability. I actually thought he was going to die in this film, I really did. Not during the surgery, but nonetheless it was to show the real danger he was in.
Agreed. Yet I am again wondering if the scene itself was necessary to be of such an extreme nature. By extreme I mean that I felt that the scene was close to being absolutely ridiculous. This is also what I meant when I said that characterisation and action scenes just wouldn't go hand in hand.

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:16 PM   #129
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How can it be random or contextless when it linked to the rest of the movie? The man Wolverine saved in that scene invites him to Japan decades later, seemingly to say thanks but, it transpires, for other reasons.

Wolverine gets a further flashback when he is at Nagasaki with Mariko, and she says how her father says the recovery and redevelopment of the city shows that everything can heal and find peace again, maybe even Wolverine.

The WWII stuff was integral to the plot of the film!
I agree with you entirely! I should have added that I meant 'contextless' in regard of the other films. What the setting meant for the rest of the film is clear to me, in the greater picture though, and especially for someone with the knowledge of but the films, it did appear rather contextless.

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:25 PM   #130
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You are right. Starting off with WWII served as frame for further actions. I am just wondering how much of a frame was needed though. Someone wanting Logan's immortality is not inevitably chained to something that happened in a certain past to a certain time.
An event rooted in WW2 was a visual indication of Wolverine's longevity and immortality because he looked the same back then (and also showcased his amazing regenerative power). It also provided Yashida with scenes where he saw the healing (and was exposed to the radiation that quite probably led to his own terminal cancer). It also rooted the film firmly in Japan, as we saw a Japan past and present. It cemented the idea that Nagasaki had found peace and let go of its past, Wolverine had not.

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The characterisation did still exist, true, but the action scenes weakened the whole point of it. A film lives from action scenes but I thought that they were just too much...in my eyes A and B didn't lead to C, meaning that the important elements (such as action, character development, love interest etc) didn't go hand in hand. I had the feeling the film was deconstructing itself from the inside out.
I didn't feel that way at all. But it's your interpretation, so we'll agree to differ.


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Agreed. Yet I am again wondering if the scene itself was necessary to be of such an extreme nature. By extreme I mean that I felt that the scene was close to being absolutely ridiculous. This is also what I meant when I said that characterisation and action scenes just wouldn't go hand in hand.
Again, a matter of taste. It was extreme but then again a suppression mechanism Wolverine hadn't previously detected would need to be hidden away inside him. And it would need to be inside his body to affect his body. Evidently, it was attached to his heart as a means of slowing the metabolic processes that normally healed him.

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:36 PM   #131
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An event rooted in WW2 was a visual indication of Wolverine's longevity and immortality because he looked the same back then (and also showcased his amazing regenerative power). It also provided Yashida with scenes where he saw the healing (and was exposed to the radiation that quite probably led to his own terminal cancer). It also rooted the film firmly in Japan, as we saw a Japan past and present. It cemented the idea that Nagasaki had found peace and let go of its past, Wolverine had not.
Hmm, good point. I haven't considered that it could be seen as a, as you say it, visual indication for his longevity. I like this idea very much.

I also like how you use Nagasaki as a metaphor for Logan's own life. However, I believe this could have also been showed differently. But as you say correctly, in a film, many things are a matter of taste and interpretation.

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I also like how you use Nagasaki as a metaphor for Logan's own life. However, I believe this could have also been showed differently. But as you say correctly, in a film, many things are a matter of taste and interpretation.
The film itself also used that idea. When Wolverine is with Mariko and rediscovers the well by the harbour where he had taken refuge decades before, there is a conversation about this. Mariko says something about her father saying that Nagasaki being a sign that 'everything finds peace... eventually. Perhaps even you.'

These moments and subtleties work better on a second viewing, I think. But most films are better on a second viewing where you can take in the dialogue and symbolism without being caught off-guard by it.

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The film itself also used that idea. When Wolverine is with Mariko and rediscovers the well by the harbour where he had taken refuge decades before, there is a conversation about this. Mariko says something about her father saying that Nagasaki being a sign that 'everything finds peace... eventually. Perhaps even you.'

These moments and subtleties work better on a second viewing, I think. But most films are better on a second viewing where you can take in the dialogue and symbolism without being caught off-guard by it.
Fortunately, I will have the honour to watch the film this tuesday again. I'll be remembering your words and pay more attention to that scene.

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Old 08-15-2013, 10:49 PM   #134
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Almost nothing but there were a few things. I didn't care for the truncated ninja fight and the surprise claw development.

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Old 09-11-2013, 10:49 AM   #136
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One thing I loved about X-2/X-Men:Last Stand was that it showed many different mutants and their mutant abilities.I do understand it couldn't be shown in movie such as The Wolverine.But I do wish they would show as many mutants as possible and a brief display of their powers in Days of Future Past.

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1.Should have had a lot more action.The bullet train fight should have been much longer

2.There should have been a fight scene between Wolverine and the Ninjas

3.Wolverine shouldn't have had his adamantium claws cut and his adamantium stripped

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Old 09-11-2013, 10:59 AM   #137
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^ his Adamantium wasn't stripped, just his claws.

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1. Didn't like Viper having to be in the ending or Bald. She was only good in small doses.

2. Would've much preferred Wolverine to fight Silver Samurai on the mountain in the snow, rather than in the generic science facility.

3. There was one particuar scene which had horrid consistency editting.

4. Shingen should've been featured more.

5. The Ninja/Snow battle (even though it's cominf to Blu Ray) should've been in the movie.

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Old 09-11-2013, 12:16 PM   #138
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2. Would've much preferred Wolverine to fight Silver Samurai on the mountain in the snow, rather than in the generic science facility.
I agree with this completely! I would of loved the final battle to gone all out samurai like something from The Last Samuari with the beautiful scenery like a mountain top, a zen garden with just two men fighting with swords.

I would have loved it if Logan wore a japanese robe like Tom Cruise in The Last Samurai holding a katana fighting the Silver Samurai in the TRADITIONAL costume with epic, beautiful scenery rather than in a generic looking science lab, Silver Samurai being a mech with some shots looking like Iron Man and bald Viper.

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I hated old yashida at the end with the robot suit. It should have just been Logan vs normal people.

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I loved the robot design. Would've been great to have a better choreographed & longer scrap between it and Logan

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Old 09-11-2013, 05:54 PM   #142
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OK, I'll bite. These are pretty much minor complaints.

1. Wolverine sees a tattoo and that suddenly means something must be wrong. A minor gripe.

2. The ninja fight, that didn't really happen. I'm confident the extended version will correct this.

3. Viper injecting the "bug" with a...kiss? Doesn't bother me much, but still somewhat strange.

4. Viper comes with makeup on from her old skin. Hnngh.

5. I didn't mind the robot THAT much, but...umm. I would've liked they had set it up better than "it keeps him alive". You don't need to be in a samurai robot suit for that. Yes, I know he had to cut off Wolverine's claws but still. I don't mind the concept, just that it seemed a little silly. What I did like, contrary to droidwarrior, that the fight was short and especially not choreographed like a ninja fight. Lots of clumsy hitting and falling, I liked that.

That's probably it. I can get over all of these, and I did like the movie. Just the other day I listened to some of the soundtrack again. Excellent. I love simple, effective themes. "Where to" is a good example of the kind of music I love in movies. Even as a standalone piece of music it's wonderful.
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OK, I'll bite. These are pretty much minor complaints.

1. Wolverine sees a tattoo and that suddenly means something must be wrong. A minor gripe.
Traditionally in Japan (in films at least, no idea who true this is), tattoos are associated with the Yakuza, so it does make sense that it could signify something is up. It doesn't really fit with his apparent ignorance of Japanese culture in the rest of the film but maybe he's watched a lot of Yakuza films .

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I only had a few nitpicks.

1. Wolverine not having any Japanese roots at all. I didn't expect him to suddenly come to the realization that he spent years in Japan before, and was a badass Ninja once. But I wish he would have at least understood some Japanese.
2. I was disappointed that there was a pool, when Wolverine threw that guy off the balcony.
3. I really didn't like Viper. She was just an annoying b**ch the whole time.
4. Robo-Samurai. It just really didn't do it for me.

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Was Wolverine stripped of his adamantium or were only his adamantium claws cut?

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Only his claws were cut clean off.

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Only his claws were cut clean off.
Isn't Adamantium supposed to be Unbreakable?Then how did his claws get cut?

I liked the scene back then.But I think it was a huge mistake for Wolverine to lose his adamantium claws

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No clue. Apparently hot Adamantium can cut through cold Adamantium.

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