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Old 09-12-2013, 11:04 PM   #726
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The won't be inhumans. They will be registered gifted. That is the synonym being used for mutants on Agents of SHIELD, and will be used in this movie. I also think the twins will be orphans, and their true parentage will be a mystery.

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When it comes to Marvel Films as of late, I don't think canon lineages or relations has been a big issue for them, let alone one that they'd feel being a necessity to show in their films. I mean look at how many canon familial bonds that they've ignored and thrown away in their past films?

1. Mystique and Night Crawler are not presented as Mother and Son as they are in the comics.

2. Rogue has no connection whatsoever to Mystique or Nigh Crawler for that matter.

3. Professor X and Juggernaut are not half/stepbrothers.

4. Heimdell and Sif aren't siblings.

5. I seriously doubt that Alex Summers is the younger brother of Scott after what we saw in "First Class".

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The won't be inhumans. They will be registered gifted. That is the synonym being used for mutants on Agents of SHIELD, and will be used in this movie. I also think the twins will be orphans, and their true parentage will be a mystery.
You can be registered gifted and Inhuman you know? Being RG is just a label being used for people with powers not necessarily explaining their origin.

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When it comes to Marvel Films as of late, I don't think canon lineages or relations has been a big issue for them, let alone one that they'd feel being a necessity to show in their films. I mean look at how many canon familial bonds that they've ignored and thrown away in their past films?

1. Mystique and Night Crawler are not presented as Mother and Son as they are in the comics.

2. Rogue has no connection whatsoever to Mystique or Nigh Crawler for that matter.

3. Professor X and Juggernaut are not half/stepbrothers.

4. Heimdell and Sif aren't siblings.

5. I seriously doubt that Alex Summers is the younger brother of Scott after what we saw in "First Class".
Only one of those relationships was presented in a Marvel Studios film. And concept art was produced that showed Sif to be of African descent, so at one point there was the thought of showing a stronger familial link between the Asgardian siblings.

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If the twins turn out to be alien-ish (i.e., Inhumans), I'll be perfectly happy with the explanation. My only reservations on that would be just how many Inhumans *are* there? Wanda & Pietro were obviously not Inhumans in canon; *if* Marvel Studios chooses to go that route, I'd just hate to see the Inhumans become sort of a catch-all for heroes/villains whose origins can't be easily explained to general audiences. It'd be lazy writing if we start getting a ****load of non-canon Inhumans popping up all over the place.
I think that's exactly where Marvel is heading in films, publishing, animation, etc. Introducing characters as Inhumans as opposed to mutants allows Marvel Studios to retain their film rights. It's likely that any new "born this way" heroes and villains, and perhaps a few old favorites, will be the result of Terrigen Mist and not the X-Gene.

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1. Mystique and Night Crawler are not presented as Mother and Son as they are in the comics.
I know alot dont consider it canon but in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine video game it is shown that Mystique was pregnant with Nightcrawler, who was fathered by Wraith(the teleporting Will.I.Am)

I only consider it canon because the game was actually REALLY good, and had an ending tying into X-Men: DOFP

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I haven't played the game, but i saw some of the cutscenes, considering the Days of Future Past showing that the future isn't going to be bright i guess it can easily be considered 2nd level canon, it has the events of the movie happening in a different way but that can be considered to be Logan's memories being all messed up since after The Wolverine he seemed to be remembered things from his past.

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Games are never canon unfortunately as they don't reach enough of the same audience. Mainly gamers and hardcore fans.

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IT'S CANON TO ME DAMMIT!!!!!!

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if it makes you feel any better they could show azazel and mystique together at some point DOFP lol

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There was never any evidence that Mystique ISN'T Nightcrawler's mother. Singer even had that scene with the two in X2. We know that Alex is related to Scott in SOME way, maybe an OLDER brother or uncle. We also don't know for sure that Sif and Heimdall AREN'T related, they may very well be and it just wasn't stated.

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What is with this obsession in using the word "canon" lately on all the marvel-related forums?

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I think they're just misspelling Canaan personally.

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Cause it's the correct term. Would you prefer "in-continuity"?

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Magneto's parentage of the twins may also be addressed. With dueling Quicksilvers on movie screens in 2014 and 2015, I can't see Marvel conceding the comic accurate version to FOX. With one retcon in the twins past, Marvel may decide its time for another adjustment.
Should Marvel change the twins' parentage in the 616 universe, they would simply be undoing a retcon that was unnecessary in the first place. It would make sense to change Wanda & Pietro's history to make Bob & Madeleine Frank their parents. It could be explained away as either a scheme of Magneto's to control them, as he had long sought to do, or an illusion engineered by Chthon with the intent of harming Wanda. Or there could be some other explanation since the current crop of comic writers have a seemingly endless supply of idiotic ideas at hand.


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Scarlet Witch is a major character in Uncanny Avengers at the moment, it's Quicksilver that's not being used much. IF they wanted to change the twins status in the comics, which I highly doubt, then the Inhumanity event would be a good place to do it. Supposedley, the Terrigan Mists are unleashed on Earth and begin affecting people, so that COULD be the way to make them Inhumans. I don't think it will happen, but there's always a chance.
Since the twins were born on Wundagore Mountain, a better explanation for their powers would be that the High Evolutionary's genetic experimentation or even the energies and chemicals he was developing affected them in utero. Their mother, Magda, and Madeleine Frank were both on or near the mountain while pregnant and could well have been affected by HE's experimentation.

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They somehow managed to turn Nick Fury black AND introduce Coulson in the 616 universe, QS and SW's origins shouldnt be that hard.

Just off the top of my head, shortly after they were born Mags found out they didnt carry the x-gene so he exposed them to the Mists and just lied to them.
Huh? Nick Fury is black now in the 616 Universe? How did they manage that?

I can understand with Nick Fury Jr, but if the original one who has been white all these years suddenly turns black, that will take some explanation. It's not quite the same as making someone black for a movie adaptation. It's not like in the comics, someone can go up to white Nick Fury and say that there's nothing inherently white about him and then he suddenly turns black. Please explain.

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Huh? Nick Fury is black now in the 616 Universe? How did they manage that?

I can understand with Nick Fury Jr, but if the original one who has been white all these years suddenly turns black, that will take some explanation. It's not quite the same as making someone black for a movie adaptation. It's not like in the comics, someone can go up to white Nick Fury and say that there's nothing inherently white about him and then he suddenly turns black. Please explain.
He reversed the Michael Jackson technique.

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Huh? Nick Fury is black now in the 616 Universe? How did they manage that?

I can understand with Nick Fury Jr, but if the original one who has been white all these years suddenly turns black, that will take some explanation. It's not quite the same as making someone black for a movie adaptation. It's not like in the comics, someone can go up to white Nick Fury and say that there's nothing inherently white about him and then he suddenly turns black. Please explain.
Fury is still white. Nick fury jr is black

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Huh? Nick Fury is black now in the 616 Universe? How did they manage that?

I can understand with Nick Fury Jr, but if the original one who has been white all these years suddenly turns black, that will take some explanation. It's not quite the same as making someone black for a movie adaptation. It's not like in the comics, someone can go up to white Nick Fury and say that there's nothing inherently white about him and then he suddenly turns black. Please explain.
He didn't turn black, there's 2 fury's. From what I remember the black fury is the white fury's son.

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Nick Fury Jr is the original Fury's son, as many posters have said. The first name he went by was Marcus Johnson. He got the Fury name, lost the exact same eye as Sam Jackson Fury, and got a haircut/grew a beard like Jackson through the power of blatant plot contrivance.

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Is Nick Fury Jr the main Nick Fury in the 616 now? Or is Fury Sr still around and the main man?

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Is Nick Fury Jr the main Nick Fury in the 616 now? Or is Fury Sr still around and the main man?
Fury Sr. is still around but supposedly the Infinity Formula that slowed his aging has worn off and he can't get more. That's an excuse to retire him in favor of Fury Jr. But if you think about how old Fury would really be, it does make sense. Steve will be 100 in five years and Fury is at least a decade older than him.

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When it comes to Marvel Films as of late, I don't think canon lineages or relations has been a big issue for them, let alone one that they'd feel being a necessity to show in their films. I mean look at how many canon familial bonds that they've ignored and thrown away in their past films?

1. Mystique and Night Crawler are not presented as Mother and Son as they are in the comics.

2. Rogue has no connection whatsoever to Mystique or Nigh Crawler for that matter.

3. Professor X and Juggernaut are not half/stepbrothers.
yet they are both conspicuously british. weird.

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Plus, it was nice to have at least ONE supporting character from the previous films who wasn't related to SHIELD in any way show up. We also got clarification of Tony/Pepper's relationship, which was a nice tie back to IM 2 and some humorous moments. I still want to know what Pepper whispered in Tony's ear, it must have been "exotic" to shock even Tony "manwhore" Stark.
Also, Whedon wrote the best Pepper Potts since the first IM. So glad he changed his mind and included Pep!

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