![]() |
|
View Poll Results: How do you feel about Goyer writing the script for the first Superman Batman film | |||
His work on MOS was VERY GOOD. He'll do GREAT. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
27 | 20.45% |
His work on MOS was OKAY. I am Skecptical. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
30 | 22.73% |
His work on MOS was POOR. I feel dread. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
32 | 24.24% |
He NEEDS Affleck's help and guidance to deliver a great script |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
43 | 32.58% |
Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#2 |
Banned User
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 3,912
|
![]()
So far this is what has been revealed by the studio.
Story: David S. Goyer & Zack Snyder Screenplay: David S. Goyer This was revealed at Comic Con when it was announced that Batman would star in Man Of Steel Sequel. Now that Ben Affleck has been announced as Batman, do you see any change in the above line-up. Even if Affleck doesn't get an official story or screenplay credit, he might ghost-write them. But what would you like Goyer to write in the sequel? I would like lots of dialog scenes for Clark (not Superman), and a lot of scenes with Jenny and Martha. Diane Lane gave a very strong performance I think. She should definitely get some good scenes. |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Objectivism doesn't work.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hub City
Posts: 40,519
|
![]()
I just like the image of the climax of the film being Superman actively protecting civilians, not killing a big robot thing in the middle of nowhere/crashing a ship/killing a guy in a big spectacle fight scene where the civilian toll is basically unaddressed.
__________________
The world does not work the way you think it does: |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 10,412
|
![]()
|
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Objectivism doesn't work.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hub City
Posts: 40,519
|
![]()
Meh. There's nothing wrong with Jenny Olsen except for the fact that she's a non-character. I don't see a problem with gender-swapping the character.
__________________
The world does not work the way you think it does: |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 10,317
|
![]() Quote:
I agree with you about the stupid squid, it just didn't work at all. I, and many other people, think it was only in there because producer Jon Peters has been craving a fight between Superman and a giant robotic spider for 20 years now. It was in Kevin Smith's script. Apparently the giant metal spider also shows up in Mark Waid's Birthright. I agree that it's a stupid plot point and it weakens the movie, but it might have been a studio requirement. I also agree that it might have been better not to introduce Metropolis in this movie. I'd go even further, that it might have been better for Lois Lane to have a minor role, even a cameo role or no role. It's better to tell one good story then a dozen half-complete stories. They tried to cover too much ground in MoS, they "tried to be epic" and we saw Krypton and Jor-El and Metropolis etc etc etc the result is that everything is half-assed everything. I'm worried that they're going to try and be epic in BvS. Snyder has said the only logical outcome is to "go global". |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#7 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 10,317
|
![]() Quote:
http://dcmovies.wikia.com/wiki/Jenny_Jurwich But she's basicaly Jenny Olsen anyway, and that's fine :-) |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Objectivism doesn't work.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hub City
Posts: 40,519
|
![]()
Granted, we don't know for certain until the movie comes out, but it's amusing to me that according to his interviews Joss Whedon's approach to Avengers 2 is the exact opposite. First movie was big and epic and 'splosion-y? The sequel's going to be smaller in scale and more focused on character driven drama.
__________________
The world does not work the way you think it does: |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 10,317
|
![]() Quote:
Buffy season 2 was in many ways smaller, Spike didn't want to destroy the world the way the master did, he was not as physically strong as the master, and he did not command an army. The war was entirely more meaningful because Buffy and Angel had fallen in love, and because Angelus and Spike had been friends a hundred years prior. The same is true of Angel season 2. They brought in: Darla. I have fairly high hopes for Avengers 2. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Banned User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Chicagotham
Posts: 2,451
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 10,412
|
![]()
^ I just don't want Batman spending copious amounts of Superman's narrative time. And them getting equal time just seems wrong, IMHO.
And I'm someone who WANTS to see Batman rebooted, who DOESN'T think the Nolan films are the be-all-and-end-all of Batman. I'm kind of a Batman nut. But Superman deserves a real sequel, and Batman can fit into that. But a film built around both characters seems like a disservice to Supes. MOS3/Superman/Batman can be like TA with Iron Man, with Superman getting one final sequel after the big WF film. |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 | |
Banned User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 21,198
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#13 | |
Blunt instrument
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sweden
Posts: 5,783
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 10,412
|
![]()
Pretty much. I'm saying what SHOULD happen, not what's going to
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 | |
Hero
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 4,963
|
![]() Quote:
In my mind, it would play out something like this, in TDKReturns, you have Superman who's on the omniscient higher authority antagonist's(US Government's) speed-dial and beck and call while old Batman is the upstart making a name for himself in Gotham and we know how that story goes. In my mind, for the movie it would still have something like that happening, but differently. Superman's the upstart making a name for himself in Metropolis doing the whole "Truth, Justice & The American Way" thing and just being Superman, stopping crime, left right and center and helping workers rebuild Metropolis, and just generally helping people, heck throw in a scene of saving a cat from a tree or helping an old woman cross the street haha. Of course people are somehow warming up to him(for argument's sake let's say the damage to Metropolis wasn't as bad as we thought it was and more people are actually left displaced rather than killed) and the Daily Planet writing glowing reports about Superman. Of course not everyone's happy about the alien, here we introduce Lex Luthor, who takes the place of the US Government as the omniscient higher authority from TDKReturns. Luthor doesn't like what he sees and feels Superman upstages him at every corner(perhaps show him flipping through the latest issue of the Daily Planet where Superman is pages 1-5 while Luthor's page 10 lol). Luthor flips out and decides to concot his plan to take own the Man of Steel by first framing him for a crime he didn't commit, preferably murder(ala Public Enemies) and of course Superman goes on the run trying to prove his innocence as seen in the comic/animated movie, Lois could help here if she wants. Since no known police can actually take someone like Superman in, Lex uses his connections to a friend in Gotham City(Jim Gordon) who in turn calls in the people's superhero Batman, who supposedly handles an assortment of freaks like this on a daily basis. The movie becomes pretty much a cat and mouse game between Superman & Batman culminating in a fight in Gotham's Crime Alley ala TDKReturns. After that, Superman and Batman go and team up and defeat Lex Luthor, and then give the film a good closing point for Superman and Batman for them to create the JL. Of course Superman wins, and Batman sees he's one of the good guys and leaves gaining an ally as you said. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#16 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 10,412
|
![]()
^ Totally. But I think Bruce/Batman should be introduced near the end of the second act. This allows 2/3's of the film to be devoted to Superman. The "team-up and save the day" just seems too tidy, too conventional, and too simplistic for my tastes. I think having a whole movie devoted to it would be more satisfactory in the long term.
|
![]() |
![]() |
#17 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,564
|
![]()
I think he is doing great. Just make sure there are some creative innocent saving scenes, fanboys will be very happy.
__________________
What's the answer to mindless undeserved hate ? Mindless love. :D http://dceufilms.proboards.com http://dceu-positivity.tumblr.com https://twitter.com/dceufacts https://www.facebook.com/manofsteelfansgiveshope/ |
![]() |
![]() |
#18 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,511
|
![]()
I just wanna know what kind of crime are they gonna give Clark/Superman to tackle
__________________
Quote: As the poet John Dryden once had it: "Beware the fury of a patient man." Or Batman. |
![]() |
![]() |
#19 |
Hero
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 4,963
|
![]()
I'm hoping they go for a route similar to Public Enemies, so a murder with Superman in the wrong place wrong time making himself look guilty? If it was me writing it, I'd do a murder of an important political figurehead, someone who'd been supportive of Superman before he died. I'd get a merc like Deathstroke for example to do it after being hired by Luthor. He makes the murder look like Superman did it, preferably a neck snap? and burning of the room he was in complete with the house of El symbol burned into a wall. The reasoning for the murder of this figurehead would of course be a power play for Lex to eventually go onto become President of the U.S.A..
|
![]() |
![]() |
#20 | |
Banned User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Kansas City,Missouri
Posts: 18,411
|
![]() Quote:
called this batman VS Superman. Considering my meh attitude of man of steel my excitement for this film Is based on batman,Ben affleck playing batman,and description of batman. Superman will be on equal footing with batman. This Is coming out like X-Men days of future past all over again.Some disappointed that OT characters are in film and upset that OT characters matter and they aren't flooding screen with new characters In past part of film. I just hope Goyer can do a batman begins quality script and not a man of steel quality script.Maybe Affleck can help with that ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#21 |
Banned User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 21,198
|
![]()
^difference is people care about henry a hell of alot more than they do with batfleck
|
![]() |
![]() |
#22 | ||||||
Side-Kick
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 31,840
|
![]()
You know, I'm going to ignore all the opinions, and the stuff about how the loudest noise in a movie is the climax, and how antagonist VS the protagonist has nothing to do with the plot of a film and so on and just address these little bits...
Quote:
People seem entirely unable to separate the event within the film from what the some fans know about Superman. Here's the thing. It's entirely possible that there would be a similar reaction to many cinematic heroes who had not been depicted as a killer doing this to a villain in as abrupt, shocking and equally brutal manner. Which is the point of the sequence. Not that this character doesn't kill, or wont kill, but that doing so the first time, even to a villain, affects him so intensely. That's where the shock comes from. The emotions HE experiences from the event. It's a very human moment from a man who might as well be a God. That's the point of the moment. Quote:
2. There's nothing to say there can't be another Fortress of Solitude. There have been in the comics. He could build another one, or grow another one, or what have you. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
"Perception is the enemy of reason." -Me Last edited by The Guard; 09-22-2013 at 01:27 PM. |
||||||
![]() |
![]() |
#23 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 10,412
|
![]() Quote:
![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#24 | |
Objectivism doesn't work.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hub City
Posts: 40,519
|
![]() Quote:
Multiple skyscrapers were partially or completely demolished, and there was no sign that any kind of evacuation procedure was being enacted.
__________________
The world does not work the way you think it does: |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#25 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 10,412
|
![]()
It looks like they were scrambling out when the World Engine was initiated. But I do think some people died during the final fight.
|
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|