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His work on MOS was VERY GOOD. He'll do GREAT. |
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27 | 20.45% |
His work on MOS was OKAY. I am Skecptical. |
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30 | 22.73% |
His work on MOS was POOR. I feel dread. |
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32 | 24.24% |
He NEEDS Affleck's help and guidance to deliver a great script |
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43 | 32.58% |
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That's all well and good for the sequel, but that doesn't change the fact that those things aren't in Man of Steel.
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I honestly don't see why acknowledgement of the death and destruction isn't essential to MoS, central even. When the death and destruction is staged for the reason that Superman has to take Zod's life, for Superman to kill in order to establish his no-kill code. In Snyder's words, the death and destruction is the staging of this Superman's mythology. Last edited by PacificBoy; 09-23-2013 at 05:48 PM. |
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It was still a cruicial part of the movie's dramatic climax though. They didn't introduce it and then forget about it.
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The pacing and editing issues seem to stem largely from post-Smallville fight too. |
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I was lovin' the pace and flow until 'release the world engine'. By the time the Zod fight came around, I was exhausted and fidgeting in my seat.
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In terms of the death and destruction, some of you may be too young to remember 9/11. I was a month shy of 18 when it happened.
When 9/11 happened, it was a huge shock, to everybody I've spoken to who is North American and was of political conscious age at the time. It took over the entire national dialogue and everything people were discussing beforehand (California energy crisis, etc) faded into the background. My local newspaper published a special afternoon edition, which I've never seen it do at any other time. Classes were replaced by group discussions. In the following days, blood lust took over America. There was a lot of public support to just nuke Afghanistan, and even 2 years later Americans supported an invasion of Iraq (that cost 5,000 American lives and 3 trillion dollars) because a Saudi-led team crashed planes into the WTC. An Indian restaurant I knew in Columbus had its windows smashed, as revenge for 9/11 (A lot of Americans don't distinguish India from Saudi Arabia from Afghanistan). I myself didn't attack any Indian restaurants, but I did write an irrational editorial for my college newspaper calling for an invasion of Afghanistan in the days following. I was angry the afternoon following the event, almost in tears, but mostly angry rather than sad. I certainly wasn't thinking about going to a place surrounded by death and destruction in every direction, and kissing my new girlfriend for the first time, and then cracking a bad joke "I'm pretty sure that only applies to other people". As such, we don't need to look to ancient Greece to know how people would react, if we want to be realistic. There is going to be tremendous trauma in the world, as what happened in Metropolis is far worse than what happened in NY on 9/11. With respect to Superman, there will be huge cries of "alien go home" and calls for the government to just nuke him (which would be semi-consistent with the dark knight returns). That's the way it needs to be if Snyder and Goyer want to be realistic. We'll see what they do. If Superman is just a hero for saving the world, then their realism will be as sound as Jor-El easily beating up Zod or Krypton having a much higher gravity than Earth. Last edited by DA_Champion; 09-23-2013 at 07:28 PM. |
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^ Exactly. People are on edge. Some think he's the problem, others start cults, while others don't know what to think.
MOS2 could be a masterpiece if the writer/director took a good look at what MOST people didn't like, and then went out of their way to avoid such missteps. |
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I'm not sure if your post is serious.
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The Krypton sequence is a terrible action sequence, because it's completely nonsensical. I'd rate them as: 1. Superman vs Faora/Non 2. FBI Chasing Lois 3. Clark saves Lois from the Sentinel 4. Oil Rig 5. Military vs Word Destroyer 6. Superman vs Giant Arm in Indian Ocean 7. Jor-El rescues Lois and Clark from Zod's ship 8. Superman vs Zod 9. Krypton sequence 10. Tornado ETA: There's also the escape from Zod's ship (added in), which is also a terrible action sequence because Jor-El is the one to save Lois and Clark. It furthers Goyer's idiotic agenda of making Jor-El the greatest hero and character of the story. Last edited by DA_Champion; 09-23-2013 at 09:02 PM. |
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1)MoS would've already been out on Blu-Ray for some time. Watch it again. 2)No the Jedi, lightsabers and the force etc were barely delved into nor dramatized and addressed in ANH. All we had was the training scene, final Vader vs Obi-Wan duel and the Trench run. Nobody back then, in 1977, knew the Force could be used for levitating, or shooting lightning or for making yourself a blue ghost etc. The film was pretty much the looming threat of the Death Star and running away from the Imperials. Only in Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi we really delve into Jedi stuff and the Force with Yoda and to an extent the Emperor. 3) David Goyer specifically wanted to address all that in the sequel and perhaps make the destruction a plot device. Quote:
I'm sure that pretty much screams "reaction shots" and "acknowledgement of the death and destruction" etc. Man of Steel's the cause and Superman/Batman's the effect. All they need to do know is cast their Lex Luthor who'll be pretty much a compelling villain who'll use all that destruction against Supes. With comics, you don't delve into everything in the zero issue. |
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A New Hope didn't tell us everything about what The Force is and what it can do. But it showed us that it's powerful, it's mysterious, and it holds the secret to Luke's past and Luke's destiny. It didn't just say "the force is a thing" and only use it when the plot required it. It made us feel what the Force is. Thats addressing. That's dramatization. That's what Man of Steel didn't do for the damage done in the third act. Quote:
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2: You still address and dramatize everything that was in the zero issue.
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Clark becoming Superman is the DCU's main storyline, because he's the first superhero and him publicly donning the red and blue inspires others to follow suit (pun intended). So technically speaking, Man of Steel is DCU Year Zero. Back to the death and destruction: If it's compelling enough to be the conceit for Lex's villainy and the starting source of distrust for Batman, all the more it should be posed in relation to these relationships from the beginning. The death and destruction caused is already part of the DCU Superman mythology as it informs Clark's stance on killing. Last edited by PacificBoy; 09-23-2013 at 10:23 PM. |
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I forgot what happened in that movie(and for good reason). Did people actually like Sinestro?
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David Goyer on Superman killing Zod:
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I agree with pretty much all of what he said there, but I'm confused by this part:
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I think he meant the latter.....maybe he can't fly there without a space suit or ship
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I thought the movie implied Superman had Golden Age Power Levels .
If that is tthe case, Then, he cant fly to the moon . |
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