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Why? Because there is real life precedent for it, and it would be cool as all hell.
Muhammad Ali and Bruce Lee come to mind. They were perhaps two of the greatest physical specimens ever seen. The feats that they performed were Godly and have yet to be replicated. Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
I found a pretty cool article from Scientific American on whether or not a real life Batman could exist at this kind of physical peak. Here are some excerpts: Quote:
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What I am asking for is a Batman that is superhuman by our standards. Based on our frame of reference, in a world with no aliens (yet), Batman would be the closest thing to superhuman just in terms of his feats. As evidenced by the gifs of Lee and Ali, the feats they are performing are superhuman to us. They were at the peak of human conditioning and masters of their craft all while doing things that I'm sure 99.99% of the population could not. Nolan's Batman was kind of underwhelming in this regard. Although the training montage with the League in Begins was made up of the kind of stuff that should have produced a high-peformance, olympic-level Batman, it didn't translate into his skillset as much as I would have liked it to when he actually became The Batman. Balancing on wooden beams while taking blows from every direction to improve bone density and toughness is cool looking, but meaningless if he doesn't do anything cool once he puts on the cowl. |
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I got the impression that the suit in the Nolan films was so bulky, that Batman would not even be able to sprint.
He has all the physical power and strength and agility, he should have them WHILE he is wearing the suit. He should move like a bullet WHILE he is wearing the suit. |
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There is nothing wrong with a highly agile Batman with the reflexes of a cat on screen. And if Robin/Nightwing is ever introduced in the solo films, I want gymnast level ability and parkour-esque movement out of him. |
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They had Cavill wearing a fitted suit, but yet he was very fast in the action scenes. Though that was of course CGI.
Infact during the Faora fight scene, Snyder used fast motion instead of slow motion to show how fast the Kryptonians moved. |
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Parkour must be really difficult to shoot though. I'd imagine they'd have to shoot a scene several dozen times or simply animated the cape, because it would probably get constantly stuck somewhere.
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The Bruce Lee ping pong gifs make a strong argument...
... haha... not really. |
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The Bruce Lee ping pong gifs make a strong argument...
... haha... not really. |
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![]() ...Extremely high level hand-eye coordination? Speed? Reflexes? He spin kicks a ping pong ball one point and doesn't miss a step, all while keeping the ball legally in play... |
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Actually the Bruce Lee ping pong gifs are not real. The video those gifs are from came from a Nokia commercial that used a lookalike and a CGI ping pong ball.
Bruce was indeed "superhuman" however and is a great example of a human in peak physical and mental condition. |
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I hear ya about him showing him more in peak human condition, but the title of the thread strikes me as a little strange -- would there even be an argument against a Batman who's at the peak of human conditioning? |
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I'm actually not interested in a Batman that ISN'T at peak human condition....which is another reason I couldn't get into the Dark Knight trilogy.
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I for one am not interested in Batman who builds all his weapons, who is the effective CEO of Wayne Enterprises, and who is in peak physical condition and never gets injured. That simply doesn't work for a mature and educated audience. It might work for the legions of 12 year olds who love Tony Stark's "genius, billionaire, philanthropist, playboy, fortune 500 CEO, superhero" shtick. |
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Are we talking about the same educated audience that has no issue with Batman healing his back in 3 months time, or the fact that he falls off a building, holding onto another person and doesn't die on impact?
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As for him healing his back in three months, I recall that people did complain about that scene, and that in general satisfaction with the third movie was lower because the script had several eye roll moments. It had that, it had Robin figure out who Batman was based on the look of his face, Catwoman beating up people twice her size with ease, 3,000 police officers surviving for 3 months in total isolation, Bruce Wayne somehow getting back into Gotham and finding Selina Kyle first thing, and Batman somehow surviving a nuclear blast. Finally, these are different kinds of maturity and education. Very few people have medical degrees. A lot more people will roll their eyes if Bruce Wayne can be an effective Batman every night for decades, run Wayne Enterprises a s a full-time CEO, and build all his weapons in his spare time. The latter is vastly more ridiculous. Last edited by DA_Champion; 09-27-2013 at 09:11 PM. |
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![]() ![]() Guys, I'm aware the ping pong thing isn't real, that's not the point. It looks cool. This is why people can't allow themselves to enjoy these movies because they are too worried about every minute detail measuring up to real life. Nolan has somewhat ruined Batman for his predecessors in that regard. Sorry, I don't want watered down Batman. Please suspend your disbelief and let's stay on topic, lol. I know I'm not the only one who wants their Batman throwing multiple Batarangs with deadly accuracy mid-fight while fluidly dispatching goons. We've all played Arkham. Also, to be clear, this isn't a thread about Batman's fighting style, because we have one of those already. This is more so about the level at which he performs. |
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For both hand to hand combat, and all the other skills Batman should ideally at least be somewhat adept at, a film could not go wrong in my mind if it plays up how Batman trains, and trains and trains, and then trains some more. I would die if in a solo Batman movie almost all of Bruce's convos with Alfred were done while he is keeping up his martial arts or parkour. Show that the victory for Bats is in the.... PREP TIME? It's true though. Peak condition is not something that you achieve and that's it. It's a constant struggle and we should get the impression that when he's not attending to Wayne Enterprise business or rehabbing injuries that Batman conditioning mind and body like the love child of a Navy SEAL, a Shaolin Monk and an Olympic Gymnast.
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We most definitely have not.
The video game is obscure on a pop culture basis, it has sold 2.5 million units worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:...m_Asylum#Sales In contrast, the second and third Nolan Batman movies sold ~100,000,000 movie tickets. That factor of 40 encompasses the transition from "obscure" to "mass market". No, he's made it better. TDK is broadly considered the greatest superhero movie ever made: it's got the highest Rotten Tomatoes score, the highest IMDB score, and the most oscars. |
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I personally think TDK is not even in the Top 10 of the best superhero movies ever made.
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I wouldn't be surprised if I don't see a better superhero movie in my lifetime. |
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Uh, if it tickles your funny bone to believe that, go ahead, I won't stop you.
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To respond to what you said, most people here are hardcore fans in the 18-35 age range. It's safe to say a lot of the Batman/DC fans on the forum have played Arkham. No need to go pulling stats out, I wasn't making it a competition between the video games and a billion dollar movie franchise. As far as Nolan, he ruined Batman movies for those who have to follow behind him because people love to enslave themselves to his vision of Batman and are scared to deviate. I enjoyed the movies wholeheartedly, but it's time for something new. |
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