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Old 10-03-2013, 06:45 PM   #601
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Nice to have this confirmed. Solid choice in a beautiful and talented young actress.

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No, thats not what i mean with evolved. Im just not saying mutant, cause its illegal. You mean evolved as in improved and/or changed. But the diference between a mutant and a normal superheroe, is that one was given something to get a power, while the other just changed naturally; his superpower come from theire nature not a change provoked by will or accident.

Captain America got a serum and spiderman got bit by a spider; Storm was born that way. Thats what makes a difference between a mutant, a creature of evolution (thats why "evolved" instaed of the word mutant, wich i cant use) and aregular superhero.

In what i was saying, they would be mutants. Theyre powers came naturally. If they were experimented on, like i said, they would still get theyre superpowrs from a normal evolution of theyre nature, in essence, so they would still be mutants, theyre evolution accelerated. Im afraid though the diference between regular superhero and mutant would be there, but far thinner, dramatically.

They would still be mutants, but to the question as of why only two people would naturally evolve in the whole world there could be an explanation.

Dont get me wrong, i like your idea much better, i just was trying to make my point clearer.

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I'm glad Elizabeth Olsen is officially in this role. She was terrific in Martha Marcy May Marlene.

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It's not lazy, it's saying the same thing except it's not using the words mutant.
To go out of you way to define it as something else is ridiculous to me unless you were forced to.

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No, thats not what i mean with evolved. Im just not saying mutant, cause its illegal. You mean evolved as in improved and/or changed. But the diference between a mutant and a normal superheroe, is that one was given something to get a power, while the other just changed naturally; his superpower come from theire nature not a change provoked by will or accident.

Captain America got a serum and spiderman got bit by a spider; Storm was born that way. Thats what makes a difference between a mutant, a creature of evolution (thats why "evolved" instaed of the word mutant, wich i cant use) and aregular superhero.

In what i was saying, they would be mutants. Theyre powers came naturally. If they were experimented on, like i said, they would still get theyre superpowrs from a normal evolution of theyre nature, in essence, so they would still be mutants, theyre evolution accelerated. Im afraid though the diference between regular superhero and mutant would be there, but far thinner, dramatically.

They would still be mutants, but to the question as of why only two people would naturally evolve in the whole world there could be an explanation.

Dont get me wrong, i like your idea much better, i just was trying to make my point clearer.
Ah okay I see what you meant.

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It's not lazy, it's saying the same thing except it's not using the words mutant.
To go out of you way to define it as something else is ridiculous to me unless you were forced to.
It is lazy. Just saying "she was born with them" is lazy. It's not just not calling her a mutant, it's not giving an explanation for WHY she has powers at all in this univer grounded in reality where people are not just born with powers. There's no point in making her a mutant, or any other characters for that matter, when you can't call her a mutant. And her and Quicksilver would be the only people who are born with powers in this universe because all Marvel characters besides mutants have scientific backgrounds from their powers, whether they be of extraterrestrial origin or otherwise. Without mutants, people are not just born with powers in the Marvel universe. And Marvel will work within those parameters with the twins. Which is why they've been pushing the idea of people trying to copy the super soldier serum so hard (tieing both Hulk's origin and Extremis to it).

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It is lazy. Just saying "she was born with them" is lazy. It's not just not calling her a mutant, it's not giving an explanation for WHY she has powers at all in this univer grounded in reality where people are not just born with powers. There's no point in making her a mutant, or any other characters for that matter, when you can't call her a mutant. And her and Quicksilver would be the only people who are born with powers in this universe because all Marvel characters besides mutants have scientific backgrounds from their powers, whether they be of extraterrestrial origin or otherwise. Without mutants, people are not just born with powers in the Marvel universe. And Marvel will work within those parameters with the twins. Which is why they've been pushing the idea of people trying to copy the super soldier serum so hard (tieing both Hulk's origin and Extremis to it).
Then we just will have to agree to disagree. saying she was born with them IS giving an explaination, she was BORN WITH THEM.

To me saying she is born with them, its just as lazy as saying they are a mutant in the very first place. (and actually, I have to say i do think Marvel did go nuts in the "mutant origin generator" button a while back)

The public seriously won't care and the fans will get the hint. That way in case anything ever changed in the future you won't have to retcon them from bieng anything else.

For example on a non-comic character, Carrie from S. King doesn't have be called a mutant, it's enough that you know she was born like that (I have not read the book in over 35 years, so I'm guessing) and thats all you really need to know.

The only thing I'm saying is, do NOT mention being a mutant or having an "X-gene"

It's been long established that to be really classified a a mutant, you must have the "X-gene", and in the Marvel Universe being born with powers the same as them being automatically a mutant.

Daisy Johnson for example, was born with her powers, but Marvel went out of the way to say she is actually NOT a mutant, she does not have the X-gene and her powers were the result of "genetic junk" that she got from her Dad's side.

Safest thing to do, IMHO is for now, not have them strictly define it, just say Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were born with it and simply do not define it any more than that.

But hey, you have your opinion and i have mine, and thats all good.

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I think you have a misunderstanding of what explanations are. Just saying she was born with them is not explaining HOW SHE WAS BORN WITH THEM ergo lazy "explanation" for why random siblings have powers. Just because you say someone has something doens't explain how they have it. "That guy has a nuke!" "How did he get it?" "He just has it." "Oh...."

But believe what you want.

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I think you have a misunderstanding of what explanations are. Just saying she was born with them is not explaining HOW SHE WAS BORN WITH THEM ergo lazy "explanation" for why random siblings have powers. Just because you say someone has something doens't explain how they have it. "That guy has a nuke!" "How did he get it?" "He just has it." "Oh...."

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Oh well, I'm sure she'll do fine. I actually like her a great deal, I just think it's a shame they couldn't get a european actress to have a go since the entire cast of avengers except aaron (who's unconfirmed) is from the us and it would have been fun to show the avengers as a worldwide organisation but oh well.

Juliet landau was an American who played a british character in Buffy and they turned out ok. I'm still so excited where seeing the twins! I can't wait! Where do you want them to turn up first? I'm hoping they appear as soon as captain America, maybe even Thor 2 if they get a wriggle on.

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I'm can't wait to see what uniforms/costumes they decide to go with (her and Quicksilver) in the end.

I've read vague descriptions from various places of concepts, but I really like to see those first pics of them when they are actually dressed the part.

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Oh well, I'm sure she'll do fine. I actually like her a great deal, I just think it's a shame they couldn't get a european actress to have a go since the entire cast of avengers except aaron (who's unconfirmed) is from the us and it would have been fun to show the avengers as a worldwide organisation but oh well.

Juliet landau was an American who played a british character in Buffy and they turned out ok. I'm still so excited where seeing the twins! I can't wait! Where do you want them to turn up first? I'm hoping they appear as soon as captain America, maybe even Thor 2 if they get a wriggle on.
The twins are going to be European.

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I think you have a misunderstanding of what explanations are. Just saying she was born with them is not explaining HOW SHE WAS BORN WITH THEM ergo lazy "explanation" for why random siblings have powers. Just because you say someone has something doens't explain how they have it. "That guy has a nuke!" "How did he get it?" "He just has it." "Oh...."

But believe what you want.
Good post. You'd need to establish how/why they have powers other than just saying 'just because'

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Oh well, I'm sure she'll do fine. I actually like her a great deal, I just think it's a shame they couldn't get a european actress to have a go since the entire cast of avengers except aaron (who's unconfirmed) is from the us and it would have been fun to show the avengers as a worldwide organisation but oh well.
The Avengers are going to be a worldwide organization, Olsen can play a Eastern European 'character'

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I think Whedon has said she will not have the costume from the comics.

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The Avengers are going to be a worldwide organization, Olsen can play a Eastern European 'character'
They're going to be British.

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Although Joss is still writing and probably not ready to send anything out to actors, for the two roles, they're generally looking for actors in their 20s and we've heard word that the "prototype" for their Scarlet Witch is none other than Irish actress Saoirse Ronan. Except something to note is that they're going "British" for the role rather than trying to have actors playing Eastern Europeans.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...-a-quicksilver

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The twins are going to be European.
I hope she can do a good accent like Juliet landau then. Not all 'cor blimey fish and chips guv'nor' stuff.

I'm so excited for this. So many people will start to love the avengers even more when they meet the twins, especially wanda. I'm hoping she gets a one shot with the Salem seven

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I think we'll see Wanda in three movies in MCU, two for sure (Age of Ultron and Avengers 3). Long shot for a cameo appearance in Inhumans.

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You just could call them homo superior or evolved humans. THe thing is, if you cant use the x-men and most of their essence, you would need a pretty good explanation of why there are only two "evolved" humans, and, casually, why they are also brother and sister, or make a world full of a kind o characters, mutants, you cant even name legally and wich primer characters you cant use. They could perfectly well be, i dont know, two orphans somebody experimented with to create some kind of evolution or something to create theyre own superhero. Its not that original, but its just a posibility. Im sure this creative team can come up with a pretty neat concept.

i thought that since marvel owns the rights to the inhumans and not mutants/x-men, then quicksilver and scarlet witch are going to be inhumans. it's been hinted at in the comics vaguely, and it would fit into this universe. i don't really see an issue with that since they would be born that way and not given powers as adults like with extremis.

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I am curious to see what her costume will look like. Whedon has already said that it will be different from her traditional comics costume. Personally, I would just use the Uncanny Avengers costume. It seems almost tailor-made for the screen and looks quite good.

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Good post. You'd need to establish how/why they have powers other than just saying 'just because'
Considering The Avengers is based more on the Ultimate line and not 616, it stands tor reason that her look (and Pietro) in the movie will be more of a variation of this:



which would fit considering that's the direction they went with when designing Hawkeye.


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That's just their first costumes. They have a more traditional look in Ultimates 2 and 3, and onwards.

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Mods should change the title of the thread to Elizabeth Olsen IS Scarlet Witch.

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That's just their first costumes. They have a more traditional look in Ultimates 2 and 3, and onwards.
ones which they aren't likely to have used.

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I doubt their costumes will look like that either. Wanda's is way too revealing and I don't think Joss is one to make Quicksilver's outfit completely leather with no blue or green in it. I think we're in for something better. They don't have to adapt either style, they can come up with something new.

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Well I didn't say they would get these exact versions. I said variations of it.

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