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His work on MOS was VERY GOOD. He'll do GREAT. 27 20.45%
His work on MOS was OKAY. I am Skecptical. 30 22.73%
His work on MOS was POOR. I feel dread. 32 24.24%
He NEEDS Affleck's help and guidance to deliver a great script 43 32.58%
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:52 PM   #851
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How people speak is a bit subjective also. I have a screenwriting friend who hates scenes in movie where characters talk to themselves. It's not believable to him because he doesn't talk to himself....while I do it sometimes and I know people who do it all the time. It was one of his hits against Gravity.
I always equate good dialogue to porn -- you know it when you see it.

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Depends on the lighting...

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I tell him I talk to myself frequently....like when I read DA Champion's post I look at the screen and say "Seriously!?"
I generally try to make sure I'm not eating and drinking before reading those posts. It's so hard to get spewed liquid out of keyboards. Da Champion/Hulk is intriguing. I'm starting to consider him(among a few others) as a sort of Marvel poe. His posts also have the voice of Barney Gumble from the Simpsons in my head, which just adds to the whole human Krakatoa risk factor for me.

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I always equate good dialogue to porn -- you know it when you see it.
dialogue is a hard thing to master...somethings that sound good on paper don't sound good out loud. I've directed a few films (i'm not famous) and the biggest thing I tell my actors is to make the dialogue their own. Don't feel tied to the words but feel the meaning behind them. I am a weird screenwriter as I don't care it people change my words.

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dialogue is a hard thing to master...somethings that sound good on paper don't sound good out loud. I've directed a few films (i'm not famous) and the biggest thing I tell my actors is to make the dialogue their own. Don't feel tied to the words but feel the meaning behind them. I am a weird screenwriter as I don't care it people change my words.
Totally with you. Dialogue is the one thing I spend the most time on because it's tough to get it to sound natural (that and it's a great way to procrastinate). And despite the amount of time I spend, I'm still open to it being changed.

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That awfully silly line made it on to a MOS Blu Ray release poster. :P

Do you think Goyer will give us more such gems?


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Pretty sure "silly lines" throwaway or otherwise exist in all cbm's, superman media in particular.
Flirty lines such as the one above was in the thor marketing no? However as all things this film and it's producers are under the selective gun.

The one thing I take away from this thread is that this production had higher expectations than others. Both in terms of financial and critical success.

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I really suspect that the poster above is a hoax. It is idiotic in the extreme. Obviously it would make it past Goyer, but the WB marketing department?


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It's incredible how one line can destroy big part of a movie. Goyer has that magic.

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Pretty sure "silly lines" throwaway or otherwise exist in all cbm's, superman media in particular.
Flirty lines such as the one above was in the thor marketing no? However as all things this film and it's producers are under the selective gun.

The one thing I take away from this thread is that this production had higher expectations than others. Both in terms of financial and critical success.
There you go, bringing up other films to compare MOS to. How dare you? You only get to bring up other films if you are trying to prove how MOS is not a good enough film to be watched ever.

And it's too bad that two people who have made movies previously not only got to write and direct MOS, but they've managed to hypnotize (or slept with) WB bigwigs in order to do yet another film. Those talentless hacks. How could WB go with Snyder and Goyer again, when MOS was clearly such an absolute failure?


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It's incredible how one line can destroy big part of a movie. Goyer has that magic.
I get taken out of BB by the "You've been poisoned, stay calm!" line.

At least "I just think he's kind of hot" takes place during a "lighter" scene.

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The "hot" line has never bothered me. It's a typical joke you'd find in any of these movies. And I don't know about anyone else but it got a good audience response all 4 times that I saw it. At least the movie didn't have an overpowering amount of dumb jokes like in the Avengers... ugh.

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The "hot" line has never bothered me. It's a typical joke you'd find in any of these movies. And I don't know about anyone else but it got a good audience response all 4 times that I saw it. At least the movie didn't have an overpowering amount of dumb jokes like in the Avengers... ugh.
The hot line didn't bother me either. Then again, Avengers is my favorite comic book movie of all time. I'm not sure the jokes are "dumb" either. I think a certain amount of self-awareness is admirable, and I feel like Man of Steel lacked that.

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The hot line didn't bother me either. Then again, Avengers is my favorite comic book movie of all time. I'm not sure the jokes are "dumb" either. I think a certain amount of self-awareness is admirable, and I feel like Man of Steel lacked that.
For me it got to a point where jokes were undercutting the drama and coming from characters that aren't known for being particularly witty.

I thought MOS was plenty self aware without being obnoxious.

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I personally don't like an over abundance of jokes undercutting dramatic action. Pretty much the difference between the good and bad blade movies.

For me there was little dramatic action in avengers. I liked it but I personally don't take most of the marvel films seriously, the successful wb efforts I mostly do. This I find is the difference in approach with Shield vs Arrow.

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The "hot" line has never bothered me. It's a typical joke you'd find in any of these movies. And I don't know about anyone else but it got a good audience response all 4 times that I saw it. At least the movie didn't have an overpowering amount of dumb jokes like in the Avengers... ugh.
Both posters who acknowledge the failings in MoS and those who deny the failings consistently claim that their reactions were backed by audience responses. I think every scene in MoS has been described as having a mass audience response. You apparently had a mass audience reactions *on all four occasions* to that dumb line. It's hardly the most poignant line or scene in the movie. It's not even in the top-5. I wonder if there was any quiet at all in any of your screenings. Were you able to hear the dialogue?

I'm curious, how many scenes in the movie got "mass audience reactions" in your showings?

Personally, I'm a bit glad to have moved out of the USA in the one respect that I no longer need to deal with audiences reacting to every scene. Audiences are a lot more quiet in Australia than they are in America. They don't moan and sigh after every bad scene and cheer after every good scene.

There was nonetheless one obnoxious twit in my movie theatre, but I only noticed him because I had the misfortune to sit next to him. He kept complaining that the Kent family was shown as having a different dog in every scene, which I guess to him was a continuity error, for the Kents to have a different family dog in different scenes... never mind the fact the average lifespan of dogs in 10 years and thus we should see 3 or 4 different dogs on the Kent family farm. I wanted him to STFU. Other than that, there were no mass audience reactions to any of the scenes in MoS in the two screenings I went to -- mercifully. I was allowed to respond to the movie on my own terms and at my own pace, and I didn't need to struggle making out the dialogue from audience noises. In this sense I feel a bit sorry for you -- you are denied the opportunity to come to a conclusion on your own terms, free of external influences.

I remember a few years ago, when I was in the USA (I lived in Columbus, Ohio for 5 years), went to the movie theatre with some friends and some British people visiting came with us. They were absolutely shocked that the audience burst into applause, "why are these people clapping?" The purpose of clapping in a live theatre is to let the stage actors know that their performance was appreciated. The purpose of clapping at the end of a movie theatre showing? To share your feelings with the other audience members -- it is tremendously self-absorbed.


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In this sense I feel a bit sorry for you -- you are denied the opportunity to come to a conclusion on your own terms, free of external influences.
The rest of your post is super entertaining, but this is particularly hilarious. Aren't you the person who claims they enjoyed the film, up until they read a review that told them that the movie was bad, so they changed their opinion?

I feel sorry for you too, since you are so easily influenced by external influences.

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The rest of your post is super entertaining, but this is particularly hilarious. Aren't you the person who claims they enjoyed the film, up until they read a review that told them that the movie was bad, so they changed their opinion?

I feel sorry for you too, since you are so easily influenced by external influences.
Oh snap...using his words against him...you'll end up on ignore for sure.

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Both posters who acknowledge the failings in MoS and those who deny the failings consistently claim that their reactions were backed by audience responses. I think every scene in MoS has been described as having a mass audience response. You apparently had a mass audience reactions *on all four occasions* to that dumb line. It's hardly the most poignant line or scene in the movie. It's not even in the top-5. I wonder if there was any quiet at all in any of your screenings. Were you able to hear the dialogue?

I'm curious, how many scenes in the movie got "mass audience reactions" in your showings?

Personally, I'm a bit glad to have moved out of the USA in the one respect that I no longer need to deal with audiences reacting to every scene. Audiences are a lot more quiet in Australia than they are in America. They don't moan and sigh after every bad scene and cheer after every good scene.

There was nonetheless one obnoxious twit in my movie theatre, but I only noticed him because I had the misfortune to sit next to him. He kept complaining that the Kent family was shown as having a different dog in every scene, which I guess to him was a continuity error, for the Kents to have a different family dog in different scenes... never mind the fact the average lifespan of dogs in 10 years and thus we should see 3 or 4 different dogs on the Kent family farm. I wanted him to STFU. Other than that, there were no mass audience reactions to any of the scenes in MoS in the two screenings I went to -- mercifully. I was allowed to respond to the movie on my own terms and at my own pace, and I didn't need to struggle making out the dialogue from audience noises. In this sense I feel a bit sorry for you -- you are denied the opportunity to come to a conclusion on your own terms, free of external influences.

I remember a few years ago, when I was in the USA (I lived in Columbus, Ohio for 5 years), went to the movie theatre with some friends and some British people visiting came with us. They were absolutely shocked that the audience burst into applause, "why are these people clapping?" The purpose of clapping in a live theatre is to let the stage actors know that their performance was appreciated. The purpose of clapping at the end of a movie theatre showing? To share your feelings with the other audience members -- it is tremendously self-absorbed.
I got to be honest, I have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. And weren't you using mass audience reactions as a fact supporting Nolan's brilliance with the ending of Inception?


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I got to be honest, I have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
In the other countries I have lived in and spent time in, there are no mass audience reactions, except for collective laughter at good jokes.

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And weren't you using mass audience reactions as a fact supporting Nolan's brilliance with the ending of Inception?
I lived in the USA at the time :-)

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I'm still curious, how many scenes in MoS got "mass audience reactions" in your showings?

In my showings (two in Australia), there were no mass audience reactions at all.


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In the other countries I have lived in and spent time in, there are no mass audience reactions, except for collective laughter at good jokes.


I lived in the USA at the time :-)

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I'm still curious, how many scenes in MoS got "mass audience reactions" in your showings?

In my showings (two in Australia), there were no mass audience reactions at all.
I never said anything about "mass audience reactions," whatever that is supposed to be...

I said "good audience response," like the laughter you just describe. People laughed at the joke in all the screenings I saw.

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For me it got to a point where jokes were undercutting the drama and coming from characters that aren't known for being particularly witty.

I thought MOS was plenty self aware without being obnoxious.
I don't think Avengers was obnoxious. I think some of the Marvel Studios movies are (Thor and Iron Man 3 in particular) but I think Avengers was kept it reigned in at the right times.

I just think it's a little easier to swallow a po-faced Batman given he deals with organized crime, murder, drug trade, poverty etc. Then a po-faced Superman with actors ranting about a "codex" or bellowing B-film level lines like "Unleash the world machine!" I think Superman requires a little more levity to go down, because he, like 99% of Superheroes from BOTH companies, has an inherent silliness to him.

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I lived in the USA at the time :-)

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In my showings (two in Australia), there were no mass audience reactions at all.
I am now living in Canada, having been in the UK all my life - what i have noticed, is during awkward scenes, the audience here react - a sex scene a random guy lets out a forced laugh, zod's neck being broke - a couple clapped, i just feel that the audience here are aware of each other and want to let others know they are ok with a scene where as for me, i am in my own little pop corn covered world.

After MOS, people clapped, but only the fan boys mainly. The 'sex toy' transporters got a few giggles as a few realised what they were seeing, again a clap at the zod death and a few people, mainly girls saying 'how can lois not realise it is him' obviously missing the point

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