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Old 10-20-2013, 07:02 PM   #176
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Neal's awesome.

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Wow, they either need to just stop doing flashbacks with young Baelfire, or recast, because that kid is shooting up like a weed.

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Rumple and Baelfire are gonna go all Batman and NightWing on The Lost Boys and Pan.

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This episode just did nothing for me. Would've much rather just got Rumples origin with Pan. And I hope that isn't the only time Bae was in Neverland, esp since he is suppose to be hopping dimensions when he really runs away.

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Wow. Totally different reaction from me. I teared up a lot, and felt they expanded on Neal as a character by quite a bit. And I can wait on the full story between Rumple and Pan. That being put out there, does anyone else think Neal is not going to make it to season's end?

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Old 10-20-2013, 08:51 PM   #181
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Wow. Totally different reaction from me. I teared up a lot, and felt they expanded on Neal as a character by quite a bit. And I can wait on the full story between Rumple and Pan. That being put out there, does anyone else think Neal is not going to make it to season's end?
Maybe Peter Pan & Rumplestiltskin are brothers.

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Bros would be par for the course with this show.

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Old 10-20-2013, 09:21 PM   #183
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Another awesome ep. Really love how The Lost Boys is being players out like a cult - they target youth who don't feel like they belong and estranged from their family.

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Neal may be "frumpy" but he's got a better heart than ole Capt. Guyliner. Neal is someone that can empathize with Emma more than just about anyone.
You see, I'm of the opposite. Not so much that Emma deserves to be with Hook, but that she is so much better than Neal, if just for one simple fact: he let Emma go to jail for his crimes and did absolutely nothing to correct that. Yes, he knew she needed to become the savior, but after she found him again, he did nothing to explain it to her, and even acted like he was better than her about the stuff with Henry, and let Henry think she was the villain in all this. Then in Storybrooke he acted like a douche when Emma suspected Tamara for good reason. And he's shown he's not above using people, even children, like when he put Robin's boy in danger from the shadow, to get his own needs. I'm more than fine if she moves on with Hook because Neal doesn't deserve her. Emma's not perfect, but most of the time she owns up to her mistakes.


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Liked Regina's smirk when she learned Tamara and especially Greg were dead.

Real good character work tonight.

Pan is a great villain and the actor is doing some great work with him as well. To those who don't think he's evil, I've got a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you for cheap.

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You see, I'm of the opposite. Not so much that Emma deserves to be with Hook, but that she is so much better than Neal, if just for one simple fact: he let Emma go to jail for his crimes and did absolutely nothing to correct that. Yes, he knew she needed to become the savior, but after she found him again, he did nothing to explain it to her, and even acted like he was better than her about the stuff with Henry, and let Henry think she was the villain in all this. Then in Storybrooke he acted like a douche when Emma suspected Tamara for good reason. And he's shown he's not above using people, even children, like when he put Robin's boy in danger from the shadow, to get his own needs. I'm more than fine if she moves on with Hook because Neal doesn't deserve her. Emma's not perfect, but most of the time she owns up to her mistakes.


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Liked Regina's smirk when she learned Tamara and especially Greg were dead.

Real good character work tonight.

Pan is a great villain and the actor is doing some great work with him as well. To those who don't think he's evil, I've got a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you for cheap.

Yowza, yowza, yowza!! Wow. Remind me not to get on your bad side. Yeesh.

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Yowza, yowza, yowza!! Wow. Remind me not to get on your bad side. Yeesh.
Lol, I really don't even get that worked up about him, but it's just that how he's been written so far, I don't see how he can be considered a full good guy/hero when he hasn't atoned at all for his own mistakes.

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Lol, I really don't even get that worked up about him, but it's just that how he's been written so far, I don't see how he can be considered a full good guy/hero when he hasn't atoned at all for his own mistakes.

Is there not a shred of a possibility that, ya know, Neal A. Has a hell of a strong reason for doing all those things, because he knew the EPIC stakes involved? Also B. He LOST Emma as well. Knowing his background, don't you think he suffered as well, losing his true love? Sacrificing your hearts desire for a greater good is, to my eyes very heroic/tragic. And finally C. We see Neal trying his best to protect Emma and Henry ALL THE TIME. Facing the dangers he has since they were reunited tells me a lot about who he is as a person. Unlike, say, Regina, Neal deserves to be cut TONS of slack.

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Old 10-20-2013, 11:09 PM   #188
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Loved tonight's episode. Love the Neal/Gold stuff and Henry succumbing to Pan's games.

But, yeah, them doing a pre-The Return flashback for Bae with the same actor is questionable considering the actor is now almost two years older than he was then. But it is better than getting a different young actor. Why would it be one actor for Rumple becoming the Dark One and later for falling down the portal, but then another actor entirely for an event taking place in between?

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Loved tonight's episode. Love the Neal/Gold stuff and Henry succumbing to Pan's games.

But, yeah, them doing a pre-The Return flashback for Bae with the same actor is questionable considering the actor is now almost two years older than he was then. But it is better than getting a different young actor. Why would it be one actor for Rumple becoming the Dark One and later for falling down the portal, but then another actor entirely for an event taking place in between?

Yeah, they need to do some stories that give the full account of Bae/Neal's life after arriving in Neverland fast before that actor ages out of the role. He's good, and I would hate to see them recast.

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Eh. It's not like they're going to be saving that stuff for like season 6 when the actor will be college-aged and it's impossible to buy. They've got their Pan now, I doubt they'd miss doing something like that this season.

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The Rumple and Neal scenes were the highlight for me. I too will admit my eyes got a little wet. The Rumple and Belle scenes are sort of funny in that they remind me of Gollum/Smeagol from LOTR.

I like the actor that plays Peter Pan, he delivers his lines perfectly like a brat you want to punch, but I'm still not sold on him living up to the role of big bad. Cora would crush him with her pinky.

Underwhelmed that nobody on Team Emma-Regina-Snow-Charming-Hook had much to do.

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Well, considering the first three episodes were almost entirely anchored by that group, it's time the spotlight got shined somewhere else for a bit.

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The Rumple and Neal scenes were the highlight for me. I too will admit my eyes got a little wet. The Rumple and Belle scenes are sort of funny in that they remind me of Gollum/Smeagol from LOTR.

I like the actor that plays Peter Pan, he delivers his lines perfectly like a brat you want to punch, but I'm still not sold on him living up to the role of big bad. Cora would crush him with her pinky.

Underwhelmed that nobody on Team Emma-Regina-Snow-Charming-Hook had much to do.

I like Pan. He feels like an older person on the inside with the body of a youngster. Still, I want some more and they are parceling it out.

As for the lack of forward momentum with our "rescue team", I actually wish we did have a little less of them, believe it or not. I like what I've seen so far, but I miss Storybrooke and the other characters this season. Also, does anyone else get the feeling Hook will eat it next ep? On LOST, they famously almost always had the full revealing of a character's back story in the same ep in which they knocked them off. Just saying.

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I like Pan. He feels like an older person on the inside with the body of a youngster. Still, I want some more and they are parceling it out.

As for the lack of forward momentum with our "rescue team", I actually wish we did have a little less of them, believe it or not. I like what I've seen so far, but I miss Storybrooke and the other characters this season. Also, does anyone else get the feeling Hook will eat it next ep? On LOST, they famously almost always had the full revealing of a character's back story in the same ep in which they knocked them off. Just saying.
I actually wouldn't mind if the "rescue team" weren't shown in a few episodes. It just seemed like the writers didn't know what to do with them tonight.

And yes! I couldn't put my finger on it, but I too miss ole Storybrooke, it's almost like I'm homesick, lol.

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I actually wouldn't mind if the "rescue team" weren't shown in a few episodes. It just seemed like the writers didn't know what to do with them tonight.

And yes! I couldn't put my finger on it, but I too miss ole Storybrooke, it's almost like I'm homesick, lol.

I guess it is cool that the creators actually have moved things beyond the initial concept that the first season started out with. And I am not complaining about where the story is going now. However... Yeah, I think it would have been nice to get back to Maine sooner than later. The Henry Rescue op could have taken a back seat for one ep by now. We will see more Storybrooke, I know, but it feels like a long time since we dealt with things there.

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An interview made it sound like we have an episode without the rescue crew in Episode 7

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The Dark One's daddy issues are about to surface in a very big way.

British actor Stephen Lord has been cast as Rumplestiltskin's father on Once Upon a Time, TVGuide.com has learned exclusively.

On the series, we've learned that the father of a young Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle) was branded a coward, so Rumple was desperate to prove he wouldn't follow in dear old dad's footsteps. But when he was drafted to fight in the ogre war, a seer prophesized that he would die in battle, so Rumple intentionally injured himself to sidestep the prophecy. Unfortunately, that also led him to also be branded a coward.

Lord (EastEnders, Shameless) will appear via flashback in at least one episode, slated to air Sunday, Nov. 17. Suffice it to say, we'll get to learn exactly why he wasn't such a great father.

"We've hinted in the past that his father was a coward and that his father's name was something that haunted him and that his father left him," executive producer Edward Kitsis recently told TVGuide.com. "This is a man who wants to break the cycle of his past. He wants to be a good father, but it's like that quote, 'I can resist everything but temptation,' so that's also his weakness."

Once Upon a Time airs Sundays at 8/7c on ABC.
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Never seen a thing with him in it.

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Dude... Search your feelings. You KNOW it to be true.

This is coming from someone who, when Graham got his heart ripped out and turned into Regina's sex slave was all, "I'm not seeing a downside for this guy."

Regina's pain, or suffering, or whatever is no excuse for the pain and suffering she has inflicted on others, the vast majority (cuz it was not just The Charmings that whom she messed with in enacting the Curse) of which had NOTHING to do with her. Just saying. She's crazy sexy. BUT SHE IS CRAZY.

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