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Old 10-17-2013, 11:22 AM   #126
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FIRST THE EDITING IS SNYDER'S JOB he did it well but not perfect some people don't like the way flashback relating...In the action scenes I didn't have any problem... IMO were the best in all comic book movies... and the flashbacks were well cut not perfect imo they only needed to be a little bit longer... I want more MOS footage.... DIRECTOR'S CUT PLEASE!!!!
I don't think you grasp the concept of how filmmaking works. 99% of the time, directors collaborate with editors. The latter does the shaping of scenes, overall pacing, and moving/dropping scenes altogether. Directors can have as much or as little input in the editing room as they wish, like "Could we slow this down?" or "Can we move this scene around?". Things like that.

You do have the directors pulling double duty as editors, like Kevin Smith, Steven Soderbergh, and James Cameron. Snyder has never been one of those super hands-on directors.

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Old 10-17-2013, 11:41 AM   #127
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I don't think you grasp the concept of how filmmaking works. 99% of the time, directors collaborate with editors. The latter does the shaping of scenes, overall pacing, and moving/dropping scenes altogether. Directors can have as much or as little input in the editing room as they wish, like "Could we slow this down?" or "Can we move this scene around?". Things like that.

You do have the directors pulling double duty as editors, like Kevin Smith, Steven Soderbergh, and James Cameron. Snyder has never been one of those super hands-on directors.
Yeah Cameron is a titan but I don't think Snyder is too far from him.. his career is improving like Cameron's did already.. but I think in visual aspect Snyder is in the top 3 worldwide easy...

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Old 10-17-2013, 07:45 PM   #128
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My point is, Snyder will have an editor or editors doing the work assembling this film together. He's not going to be sitting down at the Avid, cutting the film himself like Smith or Cameron does. He has to check progress on the CGI shots being rendered, approve completed ones, check the progress on the sound mix, and so forth.

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Old 10-17-2013, 10:08 PM   #129
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My point is, Snyder will have an editor or editors doing the work assembling this film together. He's not going to be sitting down at the Avid, cutting the film himself like Smith or Cameron does. He has to check progress on the CGI shots being rendered, approve completed ones, check the progress on the sound mix, and so forth.
Good point my friend!

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Old 10-23-2013, 04:18 PM   #130
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Just some visual similarities I noticed between MOS and some DC animations but majority from Jay Oliva who was the storyboard artist for MOS and director of jl:cote....

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At :29 seconds.....Superman flying into Zod after threatening Martha

At :33 seconds....Superman sliding towards camera after he and Zod crash into their first building as well as Faora after Superman attacks from the vault

At 1:43....Zod swinging metal at Superman on top of Lex construction building




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At :28 seconds....Zod and Superman flying after Zod gains flight power


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3:01 to 3:03...Zod and Superman fighting after the Lexcorp truck attack by Zod

3:56....Superman choke hold on Zod




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2:08 to 2:09....Superman, Zod tackle part 2

2:33....Superman getting up after falling out of sky before actual first flight


Probably have too much time on my hands but yeah...whatever


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Old 10-25-2013, 04:36 PM   #131
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I hope they keep the grainy look of MOS, while opting for less handy cam shots.

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Old 03-08-2014, 10:47 PM   #133
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I don't. It worked fine for MOS, but I'd like to see something a little different this time around.

EDIT: I will say that I'll take desaturated and grainy over oversaturated and glossy (i.e. ASM2) any day.

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Old 03-08-2014, 10:48 PM   #134
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it looked too gloomy and the suit looked darker than it really was.

hope they go in a different direction as well.

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I don't. It worked fine for MOS, but I'd like to see something a little different this time around.

EDIT: I will say that I'll take desaturated and grainy over oversaturated and glossy (i.e. ASM2) any day.
Is it not valuable to maintain a somewhat consistent look within a franchise?

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Is it not valuable to maintain a somewhat consistent look within a franchise?
Sure. I'm not asking for a drastic overhaul. All I want them to do is increase the saturation.

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Sure. I'm not asking for a drastic overhaul. All I want them to do is increase the saturation.
Oh, ok.

I think small incremental changes from movie to movie could work, as in... Superman is slowly bringing light to the world.

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Im sure it's already been said but i hope they use Watchmen as a source of inspiration, especially for scenes in Gotham. If there are any.(Hope, hope, hope.)

Watchmen is just beautiful, you can hit pause almost anywhere in the movie and you have a piece of art.







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Oh, ok.

I think small incremental changes from movie to movie could work, as in... Superman is slowly bringing light to the world.
Yeah, that would work.

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Im sure it's already been said but i hope they use Watchmen as a source of inspiration, especially for scenes in Gotham. If there are any.(Hope, hope, hope.)
I agree - to an extent. I've said this before, but Watchmen looked like a fan film at times (IMO). I was never overly impressed with it, visually speaking, but I think drawing inspiration from it can lead to gorgeous imagery if done right.

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Those scenes of Dr. Manhattan frying the Viet-Cong were horrifying and I felt sick watching them.

Which demonstrates that they were done well.

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I loved Watchmen visuals and imagery. In some pieces you just are wowed pretty state of the art IMO. Pretty great job there. The New York City was amazing. I'm glad Fong is in this movie.

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Yeah, that would work.



I agree - to an extent. I've said this before, but Watchmen looked like a fan film at times (IMO). I was never overly impressed with it, visually speaking, but I think drawing inspiration from it can lead to gorgeous imagery if done right.
A little harsh, dontcha think? :







That's one good looking fan film!

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A little harsh, dontcha think? :







That's one good looking fan film!
I mean . One of the best things Watchmen had, was its visuals. Pretty amazing IMO.. each one each taste.

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I loved Watchmen visuals and imagery. In some pieces you just are wowed pretty state of the art IMO. Pretty great job there. The New York City was amazing. I'm glad Fong is in this movie.
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Actually, no. It wasn't meant to be an insult. Most of the fan films I bother to watch are of decent quality and don't look (particularly) cheap. I'll clarify by saying that Watchmen the film reminded me of a decent-to-good looking fan film.

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Also, just thinking out loud here, maybe they could use some 300 influences for Wonder Woman?

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I wish this is the inspiration for Gotham!!!

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Actually, no. It wasn't meant to be an insult. Most of the fan films I bother to watch are of decent quality and don't look (particularly) cheap. I'll clarify by saying that Watchmen the film reminded me of a decent-to-good looking fan film.
Aha, ok. Gotcha!

Thought you were being snooty.

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Aha, ok. Gotcha!

Thought you were being snooty.
Nah. Just being honest. Sorry for the miscommunication.

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Can't help myself, one of my favorite scenes:


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