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Old 10-30-2013, 09:58 AM   #26
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The only people who have problems with the X-Franchise in its current form are fans, and their opinions mean squat to the PTBs, so until there's a reason for the PTBs to be dissatisfied with the franchise as it currently exists, there is no chance in hell that a reboot happens, which I'm perfectly fine with.

Singer has said he's not 'cherry-picking' the franchise, and I believe him, so the only reason he'd excise a part of the current franchise would be if doing so was warranted due to the parameters of the story he's telling with DoFP, which sounds like what's happened with O:W.
I disagree? My best friend can't stand comic books. He loves movies. He hates the X-Franchise. He loves Nolan's Batmans and The Avengers.

More than just fans have problems with the X-Franchise. It's riddled with just about everything that makes a bad franchise. Plot holes, recasts, continuity errors, unwarranted and unearned deaths, and Baraka-pool.

Rather than viewing it as a reboot (as the OP titled the thread) I think he's describing more of a renaissance. In terms of (likely) never seeing some of the major cast again (Stewart, Mckellen and Jackman) and allowing a younger cast to pickup where the current one never really traveled. It's not a hard or even soft reboot. It's a resurgence.

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Bryan Singer has said the future Is 2023.That means the OT took place in 2012/2013 since bryan has said DOFP takes place 10 years after last stand.

This means Cyclops,Iceman,Jean,and Angel are too young to be In 1970's/1980's.

That Is why I am doudting origins place In Cannon.Hard to believe wolverine
got adamantum In 1979 and teenage cyclops here but trilogy took place in
2012/2013.

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its true casual audiences who don't know the comics and get all there X-men knowledge from these films are more important to FOX then small comic details for the fans, the fans will see it either way, while they have to keep persuading casual audiences to come back

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If your friend doesn't work for FOX and isn't part of the X-Franchise's crew, he's a fan, and his opinion means squat to the people who actually are in charge of and associated with the franchise, and so this franchise will not be rebooted - regardless of fan opinion - until/unless the PTBs become dissatisfied with it. It's as simple as that.

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Bryan Singer has said the future Is 2023.That means the OT took place in 2012/2013 since bryan has said DOFP takes place 10 years after last stand.
The only thing that the 2023 thing does is date the events of The Last Stand; it doesn't date or invalidate the events of the other films.

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I disagree? My best friend can't stand comic books. He loves movies. He hates the X-Franchise. He loves Nolan's Batmans and The Avengers.

More than just fans have problems with the X-Franchise. It's riddled with just about everything that makes a bad franchise. Plot holes, recasts, continuity errors, unwarranted and unearned deaths, and Baraka-pool.

Rather than viewing it as a reboot (as the OP titled the thread) I think he's describing more of a renaissance. In terms of (likely) never seeing some of the major cast again (Stewart, Mckellen and Jackman) and allowing a younger cast to pickup where the current one never really traveled. It's not a hard or even soft reboot. It's a resurgence.
why should anyone care about people who hate X-men films

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If your friend doesn't work for FOX and isn't part of the X-Franchise's crew, he's a fan, and his opinion means squat to the people who actually are in charge of and associated with the franchise, and so this franchise will not be rebooted - regardless of fan opinion - until/unless the PTBs become dissatisfied with it. It's as simple as that.



The only thing that the 2023 thing does is date the events of The Last Stand; it doesn't date or invalidate the events of the other films.
It defently raises some questions about origins place In film cannon.

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The 2023 date doesn't do that; what we know Of DoFP's story does.

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why should anyone care about people who hate X-men films
because to date, not a single one has grossed more than 500mil. worldwide. Which for comic book movies is pretty pathetic.

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If your friend doesn't work for FOX and isn't part of the X-Franchise's crew, he's a fan, and his opinion means squat to the people who actually are in charge of and associated with the franchise, and so this franchise will not be rebooted - regardless of fan opinion - until/unless the PTBs become dissatisfied with it. It's as simple as that.
You were referring to fans of movies? Like, movie-goers? You said "The only people who have problems with the X-Franchise in its current form are [movie] fans." Or assumedly everyone that goes to a movie. So if everyone who goes to see these movies has a problem with them there's still no reason to change the formula?

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I don't know how reboot became an ugly word but most reboots are successful (Star Trek, Batman Begins, Casino Royale).

You have to reboot eventually. Actors age, salaries get unreasonable, and continuities get stale or screwed up (SM3, X3).

I think they should do two more movies with the First Class cast, an X-Force Trilogy, and another Wolverine movie. That should all be done by 2020, then reboot the franchise in six years (2026) with the original line up (Cyclops, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Beast and Angel).

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Yes please.

I want to follow the new branching timeline with new actors for young Scott, Jean, Angel, and Iceman joining the X-Men (joining Beast and Xavier) for the first time, wearing yellow and blue suits.

That's all I want.


Shave McAvoy's head and keep the franchise in the 70s/80s.
Angel and Iceman were born in late 80's or early 90's, they can't join team in 80's, book it.

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The 2023 date doesn't do that; what we know Of DoFP's story does.
Josh Hellman as young Stryker In DOFP who Is way younger than Danny Huston
was first step In questioning Origins.Then there Is fact DOFP could conflict
with origins on Issue where wolverine Is when future wolverine's mind goes
Into 1973 self body.Plus dating the X-Men films makes it hard to buy a teenage
Cyclops In 1970's.Then there Is does Singer In his vision still want the adamanturm proceduce to be 15 years before the trilogy.

Of course taking origins out also gives reason why he mentioned Gambit as one
he would like to use in future film.And hey rogue&Gambit lovers you could
get them In sequel to DOFP.

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I wouldn't mind a slight retcon with the First Class timeline continuing the events, but not a straight reboot.
I wish the term retcon was a poll option.

That's exactly what's needed to allow the First Class timeline to flourish for another 2 or 3 movies.

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@marvelrobbins: The majority of O:W's events weren't set in the '70s; they were set in the early '80s.

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I wish the term retcon was a poll option.

That's exactly what's needed to allow the First Class timeline to flourish for another 2 or 3 movies.
Yeah seriously. People are getting so bent out of shape just because of the word "reboot." Retool, revamp, rejoice. WTF does the word matter? Ignore the word and read the OP's post. It's not a bad plan whatsoever. It's very "X-Men" and it has nothing to do with completely ignoring what was done in the past. It's merely creating a new timeline. Sounds like X-Men to me.

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I don't know how reboot became an ugly word but most reboots are successful (Star Trek, Batman Begins, Casino Royale).

You have to reboot eventually. Actors age, salaries get unreasonable, and continuities get stale or screwed up (SM3, X3).

I think they should do two more movies with the First Class cast, an X-Force Trilogy, and another Wolverine movie. That should all be done by 2020, then reboot the franchise in six years (2026) with the original line up (Cyclops, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Beast and Angel).
1:Star Trek Is now Star Wars lite
2ue to giving chris nolan so much power batman Is being rebooted again
3:James Bond didn't needed to be rebooted.The series survived quite well for 40 years with simply recasting

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Creating a new timeline doesn't mean erasing everything and starting over; go look at what was done with the 2009 Mortal Kombat game. As far as I know, the only significant thing that the game changed with its alternate timeline is that the younger Sub-Zero was automated instead of Smoke.

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@marvelrobbins: The majority of O:W's events weren't set in the '70s; they were set in the early '80s.
That's debatble. The "6 years later" after africa hinted at being around 1979
escpeclly since wolverine and Sabretooth were recruited during the vietnam war
and the team X mission appears to be shortly after that.

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As far as changing previous continuity, all I want this movie to accomplish is to make it like X3 never happened so they can bring Cyclopes (and perhaps even Jean...though she could also rise back eventually as the good Phoenix on her own) back!!!

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As far as I know, Stryker recruited Wolverine in 1975; add six years to that and you get 1981. There's also dialogue in O:W that suggests that Three Mile Island already happened by the time of O:W's events.

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That's exactly the point. OP isn't talking about erasing everything and starting over. He's talking about taking everything that happened in 1,2,3 and Origins. And using it to change the entire course of X-history in DoFP.

So the memories of Wolverine and McAvoy Xavier are what keep those films alive (not to mention those films themselves because you can always go back and watch them) and the new cast gets to go on their own adventures without being tied down by the events and actions of the original cast. Including allowing Cyclops to live on and getting Magneto into the action a lot more regularly. Both things I really want to see.

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IMHO this film will be a reboot the way Star Treks alternate timeline was a reboot.

Unable to stop the genocidal future for mutants, They sent Wolverine back to reach the Xavier and Magneto of the past to make sure the mistakes of the existing timeline (leading to mutants being hunted and wiped out) are changed.

Sequels will most likely require the films to go backwards as I think almost everyone will die in the existing (OT cast) scenes.


TRAILER SPOILER......

In fact, Ill bet that last shot of Xavier from the trailer is him about to be being blasted by a Sentinel

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why should anyone care about people who hate X-men films
Well the guy likes more successful superhero movies like Avengers and TDK.

Maybe understanding why would allow Fox to make an X-men movie that joins the billion-dollar club (Avengers, Iron Man, Batman).

Which would result in Fox investing (time/money/energy) into the expansion of the X-men universe similar to the MCU.

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As far as I know, Stryker recruited Wolverine in 1975; add six years to that and you get 1981. There's also dialogue in O:W that suggests that Three Mile Island already happened by the time of O:W's events.
I know wiki sites listed that dates but US Involvement In vietnam ended In 1973.

They should have made it clearer In origins on time frame.

But even if 1975/1981 dates are correct that still leaves problems with origins
with what Is going down with DOFP and suggesting dates for OT.

and when Bryan Singer mentioned not ignoring film he may have been refearing to whole OT and those speculting Last Stand was being ignored.

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In most time travel stories, the idea is to muck around with events as little as possible so that something that is done in the past doesn't create an even bigger catastrophe than the thing that you're trying to prevent.

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