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How was his death retconed?
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The death itself wasn't retconned, but the circumstances of it were, and the retcon sucked big time.
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Ah!More S-M 3 bashing it is,then?Got it.
You guys really need to quit obsessing over it.I hate Batman 89's use of the Joker as the killer of Batman's parents,but you don't see me trolling about the movie every chance I get. ![]() |
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Also, there is a significant difference there. The Joker was established as the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents and that was that. It wasn't changed in Batman Forever that suddenly Edward Nygma was responsible. That is the issue, that they established one thing in Movie 1 and then changed it in movie 3. |
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And thus took ruined both the point of the event in SM 1 AND Peter's motivation to be Spider Man.
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You know not to derail here but even though it wasnt authentic i thought it was a nice tie in at the time.I used to think the guy who played the young Joker was a striking looking Joker.
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Hulk 1. Terrible. Made me dislike a character I used to like.
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Well, while I never liked that movie what they did with the Joker vis-a-vie Batman's parents never bothered me much because I know zip about Batman(nor have I ever really cared) so they could change whatever they wanted to and it'd all seem like it was they way it was supposed to be to me.
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Avi arad is it for me. Anything that I would face palm I associate with him, right or wrong.
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The treatment of Cyclops in the x-men films. First one and 2nd one his role was too small and in the third, he's killed off pointlessly.
I'm also not fond of Galactus being a cloud in FF2 or of Mandarin being "trevor"(yeah, it's kinda funny but I liked fake Mandarin so much it was disappointing). |
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I agree but at the same time without his early push to get Marvel into the movies we'd likely have no Marvel on film right now and likely with it no superhero cinema renaissance.
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Cosigned, though the character is and will always be my #1 favorite. Even the worst big budget superhero movie ever made(which this is, IMO) wouldn't stop me of being a fan of Hulk from the comics.
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I would agree, I think Ang Lee's Hulk is still to this day my least favorite comic book movie. I was 11 when that came out and even at that young age, where I honestly loved any and every movie I saw just out of sheer naivety, I thought it was a heaping pile of garbage. I tried watching it all the way through a few years ago and couldn't make it more than 45 minutes. It's not just that it's a bad movie, it definitely is, it's just that there's this dark, depressing vibe around the whole film. It's humorless and dour, which would be fine if it were a decent movie, but it's not. I know there are people out there that adamantly defend it but for the life of me I don't get it.
SM3 atleast had bits and pieces that I liked. Oh, and X-men origins Wolverine probably takes a close second. I hated that crapfest almost as much. |
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Lee's Hulk has serious problems, but it's certainly not a movie for a 11 year older. And Hulk, of all superheroes, is maybe the one that doesn't need humor.
That said, it was a bad mix of formulaistic commercial superhero movie and a psychodrama kind of film. And those two didn't match well in this movie. But Hulk versus the army was an excellent action sequence. |
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All Marvel films, hell all superhero films need some humor. But I agree, Hulk should have little of it. Maybe about as much as there was in Batman Begins. Most superhero movies I have the benefit of having never been a fan of the property nor being very familiar with the mythos so I can just take the movie as it is. But Hulk and Iron Man are my fandom and so I approach their films from a much different perspective. And in Anghulk what I saw was Stan Lee's and PAD's material just getting ***-raped my AngLee and Schamus. Yes, Hulk should be serious and have a psychological aspect to it. But what good is that when Hulk isn't even allowed to be a character in his own movie and some Einstein thinks nanomeds, mutant poodles and Absorbing Dad are ok instead. Classic case of overthinking the material.
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And well, Hulk was as little of a character in Ang Lee's movie as he was in Leterrier's movie or in Avengers. |
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Now from what we've seen, I don't think making Hulk speak is anywhere near the minds of the producers and film makers (I'm assuming a speaking Hulk is what you mean by 'Hulk being a character.' If it's not I apologize). If anything, I think they'll say, 'so, Hulk was successful in Avengers because there was lots of jokes. Therefore we need a comedy Hulk movie.' They have made three movies with Hulk in them and he's far from becoming a speaking role. |
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Angs Hulk emoted more than the others since imo.
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King Kong didn't speak and he was a believable CGI character in Jackson's movie. The character must look good, that's it. And people seemed to enjoy him in Avengers and he didn't speak there either.
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Not only that but the angst between Banner and Hulk is that they are two distinct personalities like Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde. As it is now its Banner and then a big green growling Banner. Banner and Green Banner the plot of the movie is lost. the battle of two persons over one body. This is why he did so well in Avengers because he played off everyone else.So if this continues he will always only be a good supporting character.
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Ghost Rider and the wolverine movies
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Yes, he did, he just didn't speak very much. Also, the comparison between Hulk an KK is just silly.
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