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Old 10-21-2013, 05:27 PM   #26
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:20 PM   #27
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IMO, part of it is that people don't like pop stars who are aware of their influence on society. They want their pop stars to show false humility.

Also, at this point, it's cool to hate Kanye, just like its cool to hate Miley and its cool to hate Kim. The funny thing is that most celebs know that pissing people off will just get them even more attention and more money.

BTW, don't get it twisted: Lennon was definitely considered weird in his day.
Lennon was weird compared to who?

Let's not forget hippies were in style back then.

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Old 10-21-2013, 06:22 PM   #28
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Personally, he's just a self important celebrity, that just needs to fade away.
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Lennon was weird compared to who?

Let's not forget hippies were in style back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed_in

Regardless of the cause you believe in or not, this was a pretty narcissistic exercise. And it fueled tax-and-spend liberal political culture in Canada for decades to come, so there's that too.

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Old 10-22-2013, 11:26 AM   #30
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed_in

Regardless of the cause you believe in or not, this was a pretty narcissistic exercise. And it fueled tax-and-spend liberal political culture in Canada for decades to come, so there's that too.
Would you be better off with Ronald Reagan's politics for decades?

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Old 10-22-2013, 11:34 AM   #31
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Would you be better off with Ronald Reagan's politics for decades?
We actually had that too under Brian Mulroney.

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Old 10-22-2013, 01:55 PM   #32
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I think we just react different depending on the weirdo. There are a lot of celebs that do some weird ass **** nowadays that some of us just drool over. It's all about whether you like them or not.

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His persona is annoying, but he's got a certain amount of talent that makes it impossible to write him off entirely. He's not Bieber.

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Old 10-22-2013, 02:08 PM   #34
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imma let you finish, but Jesus had the best guest appearance of all time!!

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I don't care what weird **** he does, I love his music and I think he's very innovative and creative.

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kanye is clearly dealing with some issues

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Old 11-05-2013, 07:57 AM   #38
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At least he really is embracing his black heritage.........by adopting the biggest symbol of bigotry and racism in the nation.....

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I mean he sort of has a point. Look at the way black people took over the N word. It was once the most foul, despicable word used and now is used as a cool factor by most people. Not agreeing with him, but you never know what he's thinking.

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Old 11-05-2013, 08:45 AM   #42
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Not defending him though, just trying to understand what he's doing. Anyways he's desperate for attention which is a shame because his music use to do the talking for him.

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Eh I can see it, but he just seems soo self righteous to me. If he alone does it he represents all black people. What if the black community doesn't want the flag? Kayne wouldn't give a ****....

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I mean he sort of has a point. Look at the way black people took over the N word. It was once the most foul, despicable word used and now is used as a cool factor by most people. Not agreeing with him, but you never know what he's thinking.
If by "cool factor" and "most people" you mean "flagrantly for any reason whatsoever" and "only by some black people" then you're right.

Anyone else who uses it (ie; not black) is still pretty much called racist and ignorant.

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At least he really is embracing his black heritage.........by adopting the biggest symbol of bigotry and racism in the nation.....
isn't it just a joke?

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I think it's an interesting statement to make. Whether you like it or not, white people are brandishing this flag as we speak, even up in Canada where it is considered a "country pride" symbol (incidentally, in the areas of Ontario where Asians get lynched).

So he is putting it out there, to shock and to also spark discussion, like the one we are having. It is similar to how the gay community uses the pink triangle, which is a symbol I support using as an empowering statement.

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The problem with "appropriating" a symbol is anyone not in that group is often still ostracized for using it even if it is in support of that group.

The aforementioned "N-word" is the greatest example of this you can use. A word that instantly gets a nasty look, denouncements, and called hateful if you use it, unless you're black. It is so toxic it's literally censored in almost every form.

If someone used a Confederate flag it's often questioned as to why. Is it to support a historical and cultural identity not related to slavery or to support an idealogy of discrimination and racism? There's still a lot of sensitivity over it but it at least has a legitimate if controversial claim to use.

The pink triangle's history and use is less well known so it's not carrying the same baggage. I don't know of anyone using it in a hostile way unlike the above two making it a rare exception.

It's one of those ethical dilemmas we never confront directly. Calling it "taking it back" should really be seen as "taking it for our own use" because anyone not your group is now the one abusing it. There are many other examples but I'm not about to jump into the laundry list of ways we dehumanize one another.

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I think Kanye lives under the delusion that people live in rapt anticipation of his opinions.

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Old 11-05-2013, 07:46 PM   #49
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News sites put him on their front page because the hate people like to spew ups the websites viewcounts. This very thread is full of people who dislike Kanye, but still like to talk about him. Not to mention he gets hassled by paparazzi at 4 AM when he's trying to get in his car.

I'd live under that delusion too if all of the above happened to me in real life.

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I don't hate him and outside of when this thread got bumped don't even think of him, until he does something that raises the hackles of someone enough to bother posting about it.

The attention he feeds off of is too much though, that's for sure.

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