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Old 10-07-2013, 07:38 PM   #1
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Incase Iron Man films 4 and 5 do happen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Marvel Studios has been pushing its limits on villains to choose from for the Iron Man films which is making it very difficult for how the next films will turn out here are the best choices of villains for Marvel Studios to go with



First the villains and plot for Iron Man 4

The Main villain is speculated to be

Fin Fang Foom


Option A

The film is to be based partially and loosely on the Dragon Seed Storyline of the Iron Man comics

Ben Kingsley is to reprise his role as the Mandarin regardless of Guy Pearce being the villain's MCU version over the tattoos and people using people as mask crap. Marvel should resume with the Mandarin as Trevor Slattery in a Frankenstein's Monster like way except being evil like Aldrich. Instead, Trevor will be more of a rival to Tony simply by dealing with other villains and sinister organizations like AIM with his own methods and by acquiring the ten power rings and by suiting up in black armor, he will be rebranded as Iron Mandarin



First he needs to be broken out by another villain capable of infiltrating places and skilled in martial arts and assassination tactics and the one Iron Man capable of doing that is

the Ghost



With the Ghost debuting in the next film, not only will he be a suitable Iron Man villain adaptable for the MCU. but also with his skills of stealth and martial arts tactics, he should be capable of breaking the Mandarin (Trevor) out of jail and bringing him over to the Ten Rings to explain to him about Tony Stark and Aldrich Killian


and after Raza or who ever is in charge of the band now explains their affiliation with Killian, he will give Trevor the ten power rings that they named their organization after and once Trevor puts them all on and shifts into black armor with the reanimation ring, Fin Fang Foom appears from the site they found the rings at and after showing the dragon the power of the rings, Foom organizes a deal with Slattery and the actor using the rings to put the terrorists under his command he has the world adress him as Iron Mandarin and next they attack AIM facilities all over the US and then Iron Mandarin and Iron Man fight during the Ten Rings seige

and at the end after Trevor completes his deal with the dragon reverting his remaining brothers back to their dragon forms and then the dragons start putting their plan of invasion into action. After realizing the disaster he has done, Iron Mandarin will team up with Iron Man and his allies to defeat the dragons

It may seem strange to some of you but after the mess and the chaos the twist on the Mandarin had caused and for how the Mandarin ended up being an innocent actor being played by a psychopathic scientist on taking the fall for the suicide explosions of Taggert and the rest of his failed test subjects and being arrested without understanding what's going on and being arrested for those crimes when he really never thought people were being killed, bringing him back for Iron Man 4 and evolving him into the real ring powered Mandarin that we really know from the comics would not only make things better but its the right thing to do because that way with him meeting the terrorists in the first film in the upcoming Iron Man 4, we'll be sure to get all the specific confirmation we need on Killian's involvement with him becase Maya mentioning Military contracts and Black mentioning Killian co-opting the band is NOT enough to close this case because it's hard to believe that an american would be the head of terrorists from an enemy country even if they are making the franchise loosely based on the comics.

And how would you expect Marvel Studios to do the rings for the Mandarin without being related to the character's comic book version? Same way they did it for the Cosmic Cube/Tesseract in Captain America: The First Avenger and with Thor's hammer being teased in the second Iron Man film's end credits. For in this case, simply by making both Fin Fang Foom, his dragon race, and the magic rings Asgardian based. It may seem strange but hey since the Iron Man movie franchise is in the same film universe as Thor and the other Avengers that appeared in the Avengers film, it wouldn't be such a problem to have some Asgardian elements in Iron Man 4.

or in case Kevin Feige and Marvel refuse to get Kingsley to reprise his role as the Mandarin despite making Aldrich Killian the character's MCU version then here is


Option B

Fin Fang Foom will be used as a giant mechanical dragon which serves as a combination of him and Ultimo combined



and this picture below is just one example on what Fin Fang Foom would look like in the 4th film


Sure enough, if Kevin Feige is gonna need to try something really new in order to make Fin Fang Foom's Marvel Cinematic Interpretation work out as a giant mechanical menace, he is gonna have to go with at least a few major human villains to work it out including some different resources and technologies and for this kind of thing, the villain that should operate the giant mechanical menace is

The Controller



and the two other villains that should be used as his bodyguards and henchmen are

Killer Shrike


and

The Ghost


and now for Iron Man 5's villains and plot

With Iron Man 5 serving as the last Marvel Cinematic Iron Man film its main villain is most speculated to be

Ezikel Stane as Titanium Man and leader of the Marvel Cinematic version of the Maggia and if you're wondering why he should be the Maggia leader of the MCU it's cause of the goons that his father Obadiah had with him in the first movie that he had executing some of the terrorists



Sasha as Madame Masque



and the other 2 speculated villains avilable are

Blizzard



and

Living Laser



Some of you are thinking of characters like MODOK, but characters like him are not gonna happen because Shane Black, the director of Iron Man 3 was kind enough to invite some of the fans that he along with Jon Favreau, Kevin Feige, and Louis D'Esposito had pissed off rudely with the twist on the Mandarin and explained to them that their reasons for violating the Mandarin and for not doing the magic rings for the character was indeed because they had the Marvel Cinematic Universe tied to our reality and modern day and events and some of the characters like the Mandarin properly as we know him for was because of certain difficulties at handling the stereotypes, you can't expect them to use MODOK when the character's head is so disturbingly ugly and unbearable and besides AIM already had a major role and appearance in Iron Man 3 and because Aldrich Killian was their leader in the MCU, he's very much Marvel Cinematic MODOK enough.

And for why they should still use Fin Fang Foom inspite of tying the MCU with modern day reality? Simple, because they are gonna need something to keep the plot of the next two possible sequels and without villains like Foom, what else are they suppose to do?

To find out what Marvel Studios has in mind stay tuned.

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Speculated? Can you provide a source for these rumors? I'd like to see where you're getting Phase 4 rumors from.

Anyway, for Iron Man 4 I'd like to see the villains be Zeke Stane and Ghost. The end is that Zeke leaks the Iron Man armor schematics onto the internet which will lead into even more sequels and some fights against minor villains like Blizzard, Firebrand, Shockwave and Mauler.

Iron Man 5

Ultimo arrives as a mysterious humanoid statue that crash lands. It's a source of awe until it awakens and begins a campaign of destruction. This is where Tony begins to discover that he's an alcoholic.


Iron Man 6

Tony starts off in treatment at AA, trying to get his life back together. Unfortunately Sasha Hammer employs Madame Masque and Spymaster to assault Stark Industries, killing hundreds as a way of eliminating the competition. Now at rock bottom and falling off the wagon, Tony Stark sets out for revenge.

Iron Man 7

Arthur Parks starts out as a test subject working for Stark and then blames him when he's transformed into a being of pure energy. At this point Iron Man needs to accept that he's often irresponsible and reckless and he did create a monster through his own negligence.


Iron Man 8

Tony Stark confronts a superior copy of his armor known as the Titanium Man who's a disgruntled former employee. This is where Tony is forced to fight a former friend who decides that it's personal.


Save Fin Fang Foom for Guardians. He works better as a cosmic property. Given that Iron Man can join the GOTG in a sequel since he did in the comics, that's a very good way to bring the character to life. Besides, can you name many other cosmic villains that Fox can't claim rights to? As you yourself said, Iron Man as an IP needs to remain a little bit more grounded in reality which is why Killian never donned the his ten rings (well that and the fact that Fox owns the Brood so Mandarin can't get get his comics origin).


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Speculated? Can you provide a source for these rumors? I'd like to see where you're getting Phase 4 rumors from.

Anyway, for Iron Man 4 I'd like to see the villains be Zeke Stane and Ghost. The end is that Zeke leaks the Iron Man armor schematics onto the internet which will lead into even more sequels and some fights against minor villains like Blizzard, Firebrand, Shockwave and Mauler.

Iron Man 5

Ultimo arrives as a mysterious humanoid statue that crash lands. It's a source of awe until it awakens and begins a campaign of destruction. This is where Tony begins to discover that he's an alcoholic.


Iron Man 6

Tony starts off in treatment at AA, trying to get his life back together. Unfortunately Sasha Hammer employs Madame Masque and Spymaster to assault Stark Industries, killing hundreds as a way of eliminating the competition. Now at rock bottom and falling off the wagon, Tony Stark sets out for revenge.

Iron Man 7

Arthur Parks starts out as a test subject working for Stark and then blames him when he's transformed into a being of pure energy. At this point Iron Man needs to accept that he's often irresponsible and reckless and he did create a monster through his own negligence.


Iron Man 8

Tony Stark confronts a superior copy of his armor known as the Titanium Man who's a disgruntled former employee. This is where Tony is forced to fight a former friend who decides that it's personal.


Save Fin Fang Foom for Guardians. He works better as a cosmic property. Given that Iron Man can join the GOTG in a sequel since he did in the comics, that's a very good way to bring the character to life. Besides, can you name many other cosmic villains that Fox can't claim rights to? As you yourself said, Iron Man as an IP needs to remain a little bit more grounded in reality which is why Killian never donned the his ten rings (well that and the fact that Fox owns the Brood so Mandarin can't get get his comics origin).
Ha ha ha. Dude, you really don't read the comics much and there is no way Marvel is doing 8 movies of Iron Man in the MCU. they only mentioned films 4 and 5 and FYI, Foom was NEVER a GOTG villain. He is one of Iron Man's main foes and because of what we saw in the past few films, the dragon is the primary choice for this film so which would you choose? A or B?

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Ha ha ha. Dude, you really don't read the comics much and there is no way Marvel is doing 8 movies of Iron Man in the MCU. they only mentioned films 4 and 5 and FYI, Foom was NEVER a GOTG villain. He is one of Iron Man's main foes and because of what we saw in the past few films, the dragon is the primary choice for this film so which would you choose? A or B?

Foom is also now a pacifist in the comics. Clearly I'm familiar with the character if I can name a crapton of villains off the top of my head. Also, Foom and Ultimo are completely different. One's a giant space dragon who likes to ham it up. The other is like a giant monolith who lacks a personality and is more like a force of nature. They're not the same.

Also, why would Ghost work with Foom? He's more likely to fight alongside Mandarin, Zeke Stane and Spymaster in the comics.

I just feel that Iron Man needs to be a bit more grounded and Fin Fang Foom might stretch the audience's sense of disbelief. Then again, we're getting a talking raccoon and MODOK may show up in Ant-Man. There may be room for Foom to appear but I kind of like the armored foes like Blizzard and Madame Masque a bit more. That and Foom would need a LOT of CGI to bring him to life. That's expensive.

And these are ideas for five sequels with the role of Tony Stark being recast 2 or 3 times starting with Phase 4.

You still never mentioned what you meant by, "speculated." You provided no source and degenerated to insults.

Also, Killian was Mandarin, not MODOK. A villain who was designed at a time when China was a scary communist country and not a major trading partner wouldn't work today. That's why Mandarin was Guy Pierce. The idea that AIM won't live on in sequels is preposterous as they have multiple villains they can use. If anything MODOK is more believable than Foom is, he just needs to be handled in a way that's more creepy than goofy.

That and I still doubt that the Mandarin is actually dead. One punch from Pepper isn't going to kill him.

And why if you're suck a big fan, why do you think Sasha Hammer is Madam Masque instead of Detroit Steel, when Whiteney Frost/Guiletta Nefaria has always been Madam Masque. and feel that Blizzard and Living Laser are bigger threats than Zeke Stane or Spymaster?

Also, Shane Black did originally want to use Foom as the villain. I don't see him appearing unless Killian survived and Foom can grant him the rings (one of his two origins, the other is that he forged his rings through stolen Brood material after slaughtering a ship full of them).


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Count Nafaria, Madame Masque, Grey Gargoyle or Blizzard as next antagonist.

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If they were to do another set of Iron Man films, I'd start with the Believe Armor

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And then do something like so.

Iron Man 4



Introduce Count Nefaria, playing the Dr. Doom level role of the MCU. He's mastered nano-tech which starts to uncannily resemble asgardian "magic" and he's pretty much incredible as a physical and intellectual threat. He goes head to head with Tony, who (recast) is trying to rediscover himself. Shades of Secret Origin of Tony Stark (but without the brother) and Stark Disassembled, where Tony has to get rebooted. In finding himself and his origin, Tony is reborn for a new generation, and with a new actor. This time jaunt folds well with the idea of Doomquest, or in this case Nefariaquest, where Tony and Count Nefaria are going head to head, seeing as how they are both utterly awesome technologists who feel as though they can affect the past. They may not go to Camelot this time, but perhaps a period piece in the 20s could be fun. This is where we'd introduce his daughter Whitney Cabe/Madame Masque as a love interest and then villain. Good times.

Count Nefaria: Someone awesome like George Clooney
Madame Masque: Someone hot, and deadly, like Malin Ackerman could be great.



Iron Man 5

Ezekiel Stane has basically hacked himself and made him some biological armor. That could be totally awesome technology, plus he has a crazy vendetta against Tony for, y'know, killing his dad, and bumping him and his trust fund out of the company. I think it'd be incredibly cool to employ the Ghost as that kind of corporate saboteur as a secondary villain. Madame Masque would also still play as a villain/love interest.



Having him employ/deploy popular Iron Man villains as hacked bio-armor would be great. That way you could also have Ghost, Living Laser, Grey Gargoyle, Melter and Blizzard. You could take those classic characters and do the stuff from the Five Nightmares and the Believe arc, where he has a race against the clock to fix this huge problem. Totally high octane fast paced. Tony's arc here would be a lot simpler, but mostly it would revolve around trying to deal with hacking himself like Ezekiel... how human does he have to be to fix the problems?

Zeke Stane: There are many options, I think Justin Timberlake could do a great job. Yeah I said it. The others would be great in the hands of a number of great character actors. I wouldn't give arcs to those other characters, they'd be like Coldblood and Firebrand in that way, simplified, distilled into incredible physical challenges with fun packages.

Iron Man 6

I have no idea. Ultimo? That being an ancient powered armor that Tony discovers and realizes some things are beyond his control. Tony being sure he's going to die and having to deal with his mortality, his legacy? That could be cool. Let Madame Masque and maybe the Hood come full circle as his enemies, but Ultimo be a problem he has unearthed, against his better judgment that stands to possibly destroy the world.



So, overall, Tony has to deal with who he is, what he is and then what he leaves behind. Sounds like a cool set of arcs.

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And then do something like so.

Iron Man 4



Introduce Count Nefaria, playing the Dr. Doom level role of the MCU. He's mastered nano-tech which starts to uncannily resemble asgardian "magic" and he's pretty much incredible as a physical and intellectual threat. He goes head to head with Tony, who (recast) is trying to rediscover himself. Shades of Secret Origin of Tony Stark (but without the brother) and Stark Disassembled, where Tony has to get rebooted. In finding himself and his origin, Tony is reborn for a new generation, and with a new actor. This time jaunt folds well with the idea of Doomquest, or in this case Nefariaquest, where Tony and Count Nefaria are going head to head, seeing as how they are both utterly awesome technologists who feel as though they can affect the past. They may not go to Camelot this time, but perhaps a period piece in the 20s could be fun. This is where we'd introduce his daughter Whitney Cabe/Madame Masque as a love interest and then villain. Good times.

Count Nefaria: Someone awesome like George Clooney
Madame Masque: Someone hot, and deadly, like Malin Ackerman could be great.



Iron Man 5

Ezekiel Stane has basically hacked himself and made him some biological armor. That could be totally awesome technology, plus he has a crazy vendetta against Tony for, y'know, killing his dad, and bumping him and his trust fund out of the company. I think it'd be incredibly cool to employ the Ghost as that kind of corporate saboteur as a secondary villain. Madame Masque would also still play as a villain/love interest.



Having him employ/deploy popular Iron Man villains as hacked bio-armor would be great. That way you could also have Ghost, Living Laser, Grey Gargoyle, Melter and Blizzard. You could take those classic characters and do the stuff from the Five Nightmares and the Believe arc, where he has a race against the clock to fix this huge problem. Totally high octane fast paced. Tony's arc here would be a lot simpler, but mostly it would revolve around trying to deal with hacking himself like Ezekiel... how human does he have to be to fix the problems?

Zeke Stane: There are many options, I think Justin Timberlake could do a great job. Yeah I said it. The others would be great in the hands of a number of great character actors. I wouldn't give arcs to those other characters, they'd be like Coldblood and Firebrand in that way, simplified, distilled into incredible physical challenges with fun packages.

Iron Man 6

I have no idea. Ultimo? That being an ancient powered armor that Tony discovers and realizes some things are beyond his control. Tony being sure he's going to die and having to deal with his mortality, his legacy? That could be cool. Let Madame Masque and maybe the Hood come full circle as his enemies, but Ultimo be a problem he has unearthed, against his better judgment that stands to possibly destroy the world.



So, overall, Tony has to deal with who he is, what he is and then what he leaves behind. Sounds like a cool set of arcs.
These are very good ideas. The only suggestion that I would make is have IM6 be when Tony finally faces off against the real MCU Mandarin.

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DrCosmic, aside from Iron Man 6 which you don't seem to have planed as well as the other ones those are some awesome ideas. But i think Marvel will go for the real Mandarin in IM 4, RDJ may walk out after IM 4 or even 5, so they're probably going to be in a rush to fastforward his confrontation with the real Mandarin.

I hope Tony's character starts to get darker, this way the next actor won't end up being branded as a RDJ wannabe and some storylines like Demon in a Bottle can be explored.

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Thanks guys! I could definitely see a darker tone.

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I think it'd be great to see Iron Man go up against Count Nefaria and the Maggia. Set the film in some cool location abroad. Throw in Madame Masque. Believe Armor. Maybe even Ghost.

And, boom, you have a movie.

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Now that Russia is being a bully I'd love to see Crimson Dynamo as the villain if they decide to make another Iron Man movie.

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It's not as if the USA was a saint either, you could even argue that they've been more so than Russia.

A true Armor Wars could be interesting, but now that you mention the Russian, i don't think they should only have Crimson Dynamo, i think it would be a perfect oportunity to also feature Titanium Man and Radioactive Man, all three as part of the



As for other villains i would like to see besides the ones already mentioned, definitelly Black Knight





Either one of these designs could work, hell, maybe we could even have both, one could be Nathan Garret, in the comics he was a criminal who later repents in his death, and the other could be Dane Whitman, a long time Avengers member.

Maybe they could start as a tag team of mercenaries or rogues, and as Garret has a change of heart in death, Dane Whitman helps Iron Man and possibly joins the Avengers later on.

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DrCosmic, aside from Iron Man 6 which you don't seem to have planed as well as the other ones those are some awesome ideas. But i think Marvel will go for the real Mandarin in IM 4, RDJ may walk out after IM 4 or even 5, so they're probably going to be in a rush to fastforward his confrontation with the real Mandarin.

I hope Tony's character starts to get darker, this way the next actor won't end up being branded as a RDJ wannabe and some storylines like Demon in a Bottle can be explored.
So I've got my Iron Man 6 now. Partly inspired by the OP.

Iron Man 6



Iron Man has rebooted himself against Count Nefaria and the Maggia, as well as taken on his past with Ezekiel Stane and the Five Nightmares/IM Rogues Gallery. Now we set up a future indefinite status quo with Iron Man 6.

In a new take on the Illuminati storylines, Tony is given one of the Ten Rings, and offered to meet with mysterious, cloaked possibly uncredited real Mandarin, and teams up with the other remaining Ring-holders (Raza is dead, Tony gets Stane's ring, Madame Masque inheirited Count Nefaria's, Hammer broken out of jail?) led by Temugin, son of the Mandarin, to uncover this great treasure that could change humanity. What they find is not just a cache of prehistoric technology, but an ancient psuedo-technological dragon that guards it (or is the best of it), one they have unleashed on the world. Temugin and Stark and the rest of the Ten Rings team up to apparently destroy the dragon.



Fing Fang Foom turns out to be incredibly intelligent and remorselessly vicious, it devastates Tony's world and life, and takes over the Ten Rings. When Tony goes to the others for help, Temugin is revealed to actually be the Mandarin himself, and wants to control Fing Fang Foom, and he does. Stark pulls out all the stops, breaks down an ancient scroll in order to (re)create the technovore virus to defeat Fing Fang Foom and the ten ring holders, all the rings, now implanted with ancient alien tech, are now in the possession of the true Mandarin.

Temugin: Ken Watanabe. Because he should've been the real Ra's Al Ghul too. Also, he's a really cool dude. If they want to play with the whole 'Tony thinks he's mentoring someone' it could easily be played by someone younger as well. This Temugin would be more savvy and tech serious, and less shaolin monk. Kinda like the Armored Adventures, except, y'know, not a teenager at all.



The "Real" Mandarin: Could be uncredited guy in a deep cloak. Could ALSO be Ben Kingsley as Trevor-Slattery-pretending-that-Trevor-Slattery-was-just-an-act-at-the-Mandarin's-request. Depends if Kingsley is available.



Fing Fang Foom: Someone unexpected to do a voice. Someone like "I can't believe that deep menacing dragon voice was this guy!"

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I allways thought that if they used Fin Fang Foom, they could easily tie him with Asgard.

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Yeah, I hadn't really thought about what the alien race should/shouldn't be. Makluans seems fine, and an Asgardian (say Valkyrie) could just be like: Yeah, that's a race we know about.

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I have never really been much of a Fin Fang Foom fan, and really don't want to see him in a Iron Man film.
As for more than the 3 films thus far, I could see a 4th film, but I really don't see RDJ doing more than that, and sooner or later Marvel/Disney will want to make way for other Marvel characters, such as Blackwidow, Dr. Strange. Black Panther, plus they got back their Marvel Knights heroes, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Blade, so sooner or later they will want to make films for them as well.
I love Iron Man, but know the franchise will not be going on and on, even though Kevin Freige said he could Iron Man 20, and I would love that, as I want so much to see Madam Masque, Spymaster, Ghost, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Living Laser and the like, guess time will tell and how audiences appetite is for Iron Man.

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Well, Fing Fang Foom can be changed out for Ultimo just as easily in my idea, but if Kevin Feige says they could do Iron Man 20, then that means they don't want to make way for other characters. The only way they'll stop making Iron Man is if the audience stops liking Iron Man. Do you think that will ever happen, assuming the films are good?

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