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Old 11-29-2013, 02:18 PM   #326
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Peltz was in The Last Airbender right? God I hope that she's better here than she was there, that was physically painful to sit through. As for Bay claiming that this movie will be "more serious" I'm pretty sure that he said the same thing about DOTM, and we STILL got half the movie being pointless, annoying, unfunny, vulgar "humor" if not more that half. Still, Wahlberg, Tucci, and Grammer being in this means that I will give Bay ONE MORE chance to make a good film (I actually enjoyed the first film, the sequels sucked).

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Old 11-29-2013, 02:32 PM   #327
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I actually liked most of the goofiness in the last one.

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Old 11-29-2013, 03:03 PM   #328
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That's fine, but I find having the Transformers reduced to being guest stars in their own franchise while we focus on Shia LeBouf whining about how much his life sucks while having nice big apartment, a hot GF, and his government's thanks to be irritating. The crude sex humor was not funny and the offensive humor is just disgusting. "Deep Wang" man did I want that guy to die SO MUCH, it's not funny Bay not matter how many times you try to repeat it, the stereotypical Gay man wasn't funny either. Also, Optimus Prime being a homicidal sociopath wasn't cool either.

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I agree with your complaint about Sam. Didn't really feel bad for him. As for hating on that toilet bowl humor, I laughed at most of it.

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DotM was still quite dark actually, those were actually my favorite parts of the film, when it was focusing on the Decepticons taking out humans and the sequence in Chernobyl. The militar should have a much bigger role than "normal guys" like Shia and this new group

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I, to be honest, loved that 50 minute climax. Ridiculously awesome.

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Is Bumblebee getting an upgrade again?
These movies get a lot of flack but I'll enjoy it so long as the Transformers don't feel like extras in this. ROTF was the worst at this. Other than Optimus, Bumblebee and the twins, it felt like the rest of the autobots just stood around in the background. Barely even noticed some of them.

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I get part of it is budget reasons, but I would assume Bay has the pull and the tenure to keep them onscreen for a good amount of time. If Cameron can bust out Avatar, Bay has the resources to keep them integral. Those scenes where the Autobots are just discussing **** amongst themselves or attempting to hide in Sam's yard are some of the better ones.

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So Galvatron or is it still Megatron?Would find it hard to believe Megatron was back in business after what a one handed Optimus did to him in DOTM.

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DotM was still quite dark actually, those were actually my favorite parts of the film, when it was focusing on the Decepticons taking out humans and the sequence in Chernobyl. The militar should have a much bigger role than "normal guys" like Shia and this new group
I actually wouldn't mind more military showboating if it were used as a serious commentary on how humanity would react and adapt to such a threat.

And if it weren't coinciding with the typical teenaged bs we got with Shia. The whole franchise seems to appeal mostly to dude bros. If it were treated more seriously, than I'd be all for the military having a much larger role than the previous films.

Hopefully with Mark Walhberg as a lead, I can at least appreciate the human perspective this time. But even so, would it kill them to let us in on the robot perspective on things? Give us emotions and opinions from Optimus and Bumblebee, cause they're far more interesting than any human cast.

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I get part of it is budget reasons, but I would assume Bay has the pull and the tenure to keep them onscreen for a good amount of time. If Cameron can bust out Avatar, Bay has the resources to keep them integral. Those scenes where the Autobots are just discussing **** amongst themselves or attempting to hide in Sam's yard are some of the better ones.
Even the Navi took the backseat to the humans. Hollywood has yet to make a live action film that isn't sold on humans. The Red Carpet aspect of this alone. It's a far different story with something like avengers, even the casting of a human villain a machine works for everyone involved with something like that. Same with Pacific Rim and it's leads.

With TF, The producers face a particular set of obstacles and thus far they have turned out one of the most lucrative franchises out. Optimus and Bee get plenty of time. Till then I mostly see it as the ET approach only with more action and less heart. I'd prefer something more of the Hobbit approach to collateral characters but one has to appreciate the cost of putting rendering these things out on screen.

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Not really, other than Sam Worthington, the human characters were actually not all that prominent of developed. Sigourney Weaver is the closest. The problem is that if you're not OP or Bumblebee, then you get pretty much NOTHING in the way of development or characterization. And the one's that DO get actual screentime are the annoying one's like Wheelie or the Twins. The Decepticons get it even worse. Most of them don't get names, don't speak, show up completely out of the blue with no explanation, and are all the same silver and grey color so that it's almost impossible to tell them apart, especially during the action scenes. Really the ONLY one of them to get any kind of character stuff is Megatron, and he's treated like a punk in both ROTF and DOTM. Seriously Bay, you resolve the epic and legendary rivalry between OP and Megatron with a 10 second slaughter where Megatron doesn't get throw ONE punch before dying, not cool.

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Old 11-29-2013, 05:27 PM   #339
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The point was that Avatar was about humans. As all live action films are. The same way TF is about a boy and his car and his story from that into manhood and self assertion.
As for the development of Optimus and Bee, like cap they don't arc, they just face obstacles.

As for the comedy relief, TF has characters that do that just as Disney movies do. Only with TF fans didn't sign up for it.

As for offensive jokes, when's the last time groups of people walked out of the hang over feeling offended. It is what it is, comedy. It's not for everyone.

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Yeah, Kruger actually didnt do bad for TF3, there was still some goofiness but it wasnt as bad as the 2nd movie.

The 1st one still has the best tone out of all of them, so it sounds like maybe he is going more towards that or even more serious than the 1st movie. Either way it will be welcome from me.

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Peltz was in The Last Airbender right? God I hope that she's better here than she was there, that was physically painful to sit through.
TLA didn't do anyone any favors. I wouldn't begrudge her too much for that. Her more recent work was in the A&E hit series Bates Motel.

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The point was that Avatar was about humans. As all live action films are. The same way TF is about a boy and his car and his story from that into manhood and self assertion.
As for the development of Optimus and Bee, like cap they don't arc, they just face obstacles.

As for the comedy relief, TF has characters that do that just as Disney movies do. Only with TF fans didn't sign up for it.

As for offensive jokes, when's the last time groups of people walked out of the hang over feeling offended. It is what it is, comedy. It's not for everyone.
I'll defend the humor in the first one, and maybe the third, but not the second. Comedy and humor comes in different variety but they have to funny. Transformers 2 was just awful.

Keep in mind that I even enjoyed the nihilistic humor of Pain & Gain. It felt appropriate for that type of film.

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I wonder if Wahlberg is Witwicky all grown up.

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I'll defend the humor in the first one, and maybe the third, but not the second. Comedy and humor comes in different variety but they have to funny. Transformers 2 was just awful.

Keep in mind that I even enjoyed the nihilistic humor of Pain & Gain. It felt appropriate for that type of film.
Yeah, the first and the third movies were funny. Pain and Gain too.
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I wonder if Wahlberg is Witwicky all grown up.
What? Does that mean Sam moved to Boston?

Nah, Wahlberg's character is some mechanic inventor guy named Cade, who discovers a robot.

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Wahlberg is Sam's cousin is my guess.

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You know, Epps and Lennox were fairly interesting/enjoyable. If the movies had focused on them, then I might have been more ok with it. Hopefully, Wahlberg is more like them than he is like LeBeouf.

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Yeah, Im surprised they didn't become a focus.

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^Same here, they got more screen-time in the sequels sure, but they should have been more focused on, especially as they were working with the Autobots.

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Probably because they look too "grown up". Shia Lebouf has that baby-ish cuteness that the studio figure kids will relate to

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^Well IMO thats stupid, the kids go for the Transformers, nothing else. When my nephews are running around playing after seeing one of them they are shouting "I am Optimus" or I Am Bumblebee," NEVER have I heard them say "I am Sam!" And I doubt I ever will.

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