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Old 12-12-2013, 03:42 PM   #626
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When did he say that? Could you give a link?
Link for what?

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I'm not too concerned. It's easy to get that impression with him being such a long-lasting villain in the comics, but between Joss's writing and Spader's acting, I can't imagine him being forgettable. I don't think he'll be any more throwaway than say, The Joker in TDK, and he too was only in one movie--with only a tiny nod to him in the previous installment.
But it doesn't look like Ultron's going to be getting any nods any time soon in any after credits scenes. I just hope that Whedon can give proper character development and justice to Ultron.

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I'm not too concerned. It's easy to get that impression with him being such a long-lasting villain in the comics, but between Joss's writing and Spader's acting, I can't imagine him being forgettable. I don't think he'll be any more throwaway than say, The Joker in TDK, and he too was only in one movie--with only a tiny nod to him in the previous installment.
You bring up an excellent point. You take the joker in TDK and take Heath out of the roll and it's just about a guy who runs around blowing up stuff. It was Heath's performance that brought that character to the forefront.

A lot of people complained about Malekith's lack of development, and it's a fair argument, but while Christopher Eccleston did a fine job, he didn't really try to do anything special with the character. He just played the standard baddie.

There's text and then there's subtext. Everything that's not written on the page but the character brings out.

Spader is such and excellent actor, and finally now seems to be getting some recognition with his Golden Globe nomination for the Blacklist. He has a charm and a charisma about him, much like Downey.

I guarantee you, whatever else happens, you're not going to forget his performance.

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Rhodes will probably get the same amount of screentime as Selvig did in the first movie.

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Also, CBM (citing Bleeding Cool) says that we may see Jarvis in Human form, but not played by Paul Bettany.

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Also, CBM (citing Bleeding Cool) says that we may see Jarvis in Human form, but not played by Paul Bettany.
Mmmmmm I don't think he's REPLACING Bettany as JARVIS. He's actually playing the Butler. Likely working in Avengers Tower. This is pretty dope, and sidesteps what I felt was a crafty, yet still unfaithful representation of the source material. Not to mention, there's comedic gold in Tony saying something to Jarvis and both the butler and computer responding.

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That would be cool. Hopefully Alfred will be in Superman/Batman so we can compare butlers...lol

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RE War Machine....on other sites, the feeling is that Rhodes will be the one to die. I don't see this happening, unless Falcon is added to the team.

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Rhodes will probably get the same amount of screentime as Selvig did in the first movie.
If that. Probably a cameo.

Or either he's the one to die this time so Stark & crew have someone to avenge.

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They are not going to have Rhodes die are they? I don't think Marvel (or Joss) is that stupid to kill the only Black Avenger that they have.

So they will probably bring in Anthony Mackie or sign Chiwetel Ejiofor in a "top secret, to be revealed when the movie is released" role. Then they can kill off Rhodes.

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That would be cool. Hopefully Alfred will be in Superman/Batman so we can compare butlers...lol
So it looks like they are casting a Jarvis so that they can do this twist?


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So it looks like they are casting a Jarvis so that they can do this twist?

LOL! I am so confused right now...was that really Jarvis?

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If that. Probably a cameo.

Or either he's the one to die this time so Stark & crew have someone to avenge.
Yes let's kill off the only Black Superhero in the Avengers.

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LOL! I am so confused right now...was that really Jarvis?
Jarvis was being mind-controlled by Ultron as far as I can remember.

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UPDATE: Back on the inclusion of Don Cheadle, HitFix can also confirm that "Col. Rhodes, aka War Machine, has a key role in the conflict with Ultron that is the main focus of the sequel."

Uh oh......

Source:http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...-age-of-ultron

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UPDATE: Back on the inclusion of Don Cheadle, HitFix can also confirm that "Col. Rhodes, aka War Machine, has a key role in the conflict with Ultron that is the main focus of the sequel."

Uh oh......

Source:http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...-age-of-ultron
So (unless they add Falcon or a certain African king who's country has the world's only supply of Vibranium) they are going to kill off the only Black Avenger.

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So (unless they add Falcon or a certain African king who's country has the world's only supply of Vibranium) they are going to kill off the only Black Avenger.
After reading that update with HitFlix, I'm starting to think he's this films 'Coulson', emotional exploitation.

Btw, has anyone at all considered that Simon McBurney may be playing Jarvis in a flashback scene when Stark was young, thus adding more to the emotional connection he has with the person and the A.I. Whom becomes "Ultron"?

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I don't understand how you get they're going to kill him off from that.

The much more interesting parts of that article, which you didn't acknowledge, are these:

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And anyway, it makes sense to have Rhody in it as Iron Patriot or War Machine if the film involves the US government and has a political twist to it that wasn't in the first film.

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Perhaps Rhodey is injured?

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Things are certainly getting interesting now. Let's see if Whedon adds Falcon in this movie. I don't really get the Stranger than Paradise comparison here, somebody help me out.

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Things are certainly getting interesting now. Let's see if Whedon adds Falcon in this movie. I don't really get the Stranger than Paradise comparison here, somebody help me out.
I don't think he'll add Falcon.

But if we see another black actor (Chiwetel Ejiofor) being cast in a top secret role, then we'll see this guy:



Especially if Ultron is made entirely of Vibranium.

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Things are certainly getting interesting now. Let's see if Whedon adds Falcon in this movie. I don't really get the Stranger than Paradise comparison here, somebody help me out.
They're saying the new movie will make the old movie look like a cheap black and white movie from the 50's (obvious hyperbole, but you get the point I hope).

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I don't think that they are going to bring in Rhodey to just kill him off.

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As long as he isn't hacked again.

If we go with my idea that a subset of the Ultron AI has been present in all the other iron suits not controlled by Jarvis (Monger, Whiplash, Iron Patriot), then maybe SHIELD or Tony extract the software from the suit and when they begin tampering with it is when it goes rogue. But hopefully it doesn't go back to the suit and take it over because I'm sick of that. Let Rhodey be immune to hacking for once. You'd think Tony would step in finally, replace the WM/Patriot's flimsy security with whatever he uses that can keep Ultron out of Iron Man.

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Random thought: Maybe Ultron takes over Tony's armor, and the Avengers turn to War Machine for help. Instead of Tony rescuing Rhodey again, it plays out the other way. Or is that too similar to what they had Pepper do at the end of IM3?

As large as the roster is starting to grow, I have little doubt that, one way or the other, the Avengers will be broken into two groups. And I'm seriously entertaining the thought that they will be antagonistic towards one another. And despite Whedon's dislike of unfinished endings, I wouldn't be surprised if these subgroups don't "make up" by the end of the film.

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