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View Poll Results: What is the bar of success for Superman/ Batman at the WW box office?
$600- 699 M (The level at which a $200 M film profits) 2 2.44%
$700-799 M 6 7.32%
$800-899 M 13 15.85%
$900-999 M 8 9.76%
Over $1 Billion 27 32.93%
Bigger Than The Dark Knight Rises (Highest grossing DC film) 12 14.63%
Bigger Than The Avengers (Biggest Superhero movie ever) 13 15.85%
Bigger Than Titanic (#2 film ever) 1 1.22%
Bigger Than Avatar (#1 film ever) 0 0%
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:16 PM   #26
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The billion dollar goggles never ceases to amaze me. A billion dollars is the exception not the norm.

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Old 12-12-2013, 08:24 PM   #27
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I know we fans speculate on box office, but I always wonder what is the real bottom line for a movie studio when it comes to calculating box office returns and what not. I remember WB saying they were happy with the returns for SR, but there was no sequel. So...were the really happy or were they just lying and it was a failure? BB also didn't have that huge of a box office return if I remember correctly, but there was a sequel for that.

I would imagine some movies box office returns make a studio want a sequel so they can continue to capitalize, but what's the barometer if they already initially have plans for one?

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Old 12-12-2013, 08:59 PM   #28
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I know we fans speculate on box office, but I always wonder what is the real bottom line for a movie studio when it comes to calculating box office returns and what not. I remember WB saying they were happy with the returns for SR, but there was no sequel. So...were the really happy or were they just lying and it was a failure? BB also didn't have that huge of a box office return if I remember correctly, but there was a sequel for that.
movies getting sequels isn't entirely dependent on box-office. SR outperformed BB at the BO, but it got worse reviews, and a generally "meh" audience reaction, and as a result dvd sales suffered, which doesn't bode well for a sequel. BB however, despite having a less impressive BO got better reviews, audiences generally really liked it, and its dvd sales were great, so a sequel was likely to do very well.

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Old 12-12-2013, 09:02 PM   #29
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Yeah, I say 700 or 800 million for Batman 400+ for Superman. Altogether, about a billion (and probably more)

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Old 12-12-2013, 09:22 PM   #30
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Did reviews prevent the Transformers movies from making boat loads of money?

Anyways, how much it makes can depend a lot on what movies are being released in the same time.

2015 is a very crowded year after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the summer movies are a little bit lower than expected.

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Old 12-12-2013, 09:35 PM   #31
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Looking at it realistically, the movie will have an opening which will be at least 25% bigger than MoS. And it will have relatively low competition since it is at the end of July as opposed to mid-June.

OS numbers will probably be very similar to TDKR, so 550M+ OS should be easy to do.

Domestic, the OW should be 160M, (MoS OW + 25% roughly), and legs should carry it to 380+ easily. So, going with 900M for this. Probably will finish #3 domestically behind Avengers and Star Wars. But if it becomes a cultural event, then it can easily be in contention for top spot of the year.

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Old 12-12-2013, 09:39 PM   #32
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movies getting sequels isn't entirely dependent on box-office. SR outperformed BB at the BO, but it got worse reviews, and a generally "meh" audience reaction, and as a result dvd sales suffered, which doesn't bode well for a sequel. BB however, despite having a less impressive BO got better reviews, audiences generally really liked it, and its dvd sales were great, so a sequel was likely to do very well.
This.

I'm still going with 800-899 million worldwide. I think the crowded 2015 movie season, coupled with fannish whining about not getting what they want, will drag sales down.

Stop having expectations, people. You'll enjoy the film a lot more if you do.

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Old 12-13-2013, 10:34 AM   #33
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I really have no clue how to speculate about anything for this movie. I was right when I guessed MoS would make between 650-750, but the inclusion of Affleck as Batman and Wonder Woman, and the lack of a villain so far, makes it difficult.

I'm sure this movie will make at least 100 mil more than MoS for the simple reason that it has Batman in it, but with the loss of Crowe and Costner, I'm not sure this film has any stars that appeal to an older generations of the audience.

I'm pretty certain that this film won't make more or even match TDK or TDKR, but I guess we'll find out in 2015.

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The marketing for this film is pretty much going to guarantee a billion. They're going to market this as the superhero showdown of the century: The Man of Steel vs. The Dark Knight. Everyone and their mother is going to see this film. I say, It's going to make a billion on pure curiosity and 1.3 billion if the movie is actually great. Don't forget, the dark knight trilogy is still fresh in people's minds and the last two batman movies made over a billion so the Batman factor coupled with the fact that he's Ben Affleck this time will def push this film to a cool billion.


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The billion dollar goggles never ceases to amaze me. A billion dollars is the exception not the norm.
It's rare, but it's certainly becoming less rare. 2012 being the extreme rare case with 4 films breaking the billion mark. 2013 so far only one, but one would think H:TDOS should break a billion, although forecasting is showing this film opening lower than H:AUJ even though it's getting better critical reviews.

Foreign box office and inflation have created more billion dollar films, and will continue to do so. 2015 Avengers AoU seems poised to rule the box office, but there will certainly be room for one or two others. We'll see what happens.

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The marketing for this film is pretty much going to guarantee a billion. They're going to market this as the superhero showdown of the century: The Man of Steel vs. The Dark Knight. Everyone and their mother is going to see this film. I say, It's going to make a billion on pure curiosity and 1.3 billion if the movie is actually great. Don't forget, the dark knight trilogy is still fresh in people's minds and the last two batman movies made over a billion so the Batman factor coupled with the fact that he's Ben Affleck this time will def push this film to a cool billion.
This. In fact, WB marketed this movie worldwide by simply announcing Affleck is the new Batman. The awareness levels for this film are off the charts. And we if we get MoS level trailers? Those opening weekend could rival the avengers numbers.

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Possibly, but there are too many unknown factors at this point. No one really knows anything about that film. The release date was moved to December, so that will hinder it in midnight showings and such. I also think it will make it more difficult to break OW records. Not that it's impossible just more difficult. The largest December opening all time is The Hobbit: AUJ, and there's never been a 100M opening weekend in December. Again this movie if any, has the best chance be the exception, but it has to happen first.

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a $200 million movie needs to make triple its budget to profit? wat happened to double?

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The billion dollar goggles never ceases to amaze me. A billion dollars is the exception not the norm.
Batman is the only superhero to hit $1 B twice, and he's being paired with another Superhero, who just outgrossed the highest grossing pre-Avengers Marvel Studios movie.

I'm not saying that guarantees $1.5 Billion like the Avengers. If this was Christopher Nolan's Batman vs Superman, Starring Christian Bale, we'd be looking at a possible Avengers buster, but I think we're looking at the $1.1-1.2 B range, with more possible for a formal Justice League film.

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It's rare, but it's certainly becoming less rare. 2012 being the extreme rare case with 4 films breaking the billion mark. 2013 so far only one, but one would think H:TDOS should break a billion, although forecasting is showing this film opening lower than H:AUJ even though it's getting better critical reviews.

Foreign box office and inflation have created more billion dollar films, and will continue to do so. 2015 Avengers AoU seems poised to rule the box office, but there will certainly be room for one or two others. We'll see what happens.

I agree with your post.
Though i have to admit that blockbusters seem to hit the 1 billion mark more frequent then movies hitting 400 million domestic.
No doubt that with growing screens ( Asia in particular China is expanding) and with the help of 3-d , the billion dollar mark is becoming more frequent compared to the 400 million domestic grossers

Looking at the numbers since Phantom Menace :

2002 : SPiderman
2004 : Shrek 2
2006 : POTC 2
2008 : TDK
2009 : Avatar
2010 : TOy Story 3
2012 : Avengers , TDKR , Hunger Games
2013 : IM3

Compare that with billion dollar grossers the past ten years :
2003 : LOTR ROTK
2006 : POTC 2
2008 : TDK
2009 : Avatar
2010 : Toy Story 3 , Alice in Wonderland
2011 : Harry Potter , Transformers DOTM , POTC 4
2012 : Avengers , Skyfall , TDKR , Hobbit

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cast bob pattinson as grayson and watch the money roll in.

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In terms of minimums, 330m at the domestic and 550m at the international box office.

But I think it'll go over a billion especially if it's in 3D. If it's a good movie, 1.2+ billion is likely.

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Yeah. No matter how crappy, mediocre or overrated it winds up being. Comparing BvsS to a SW film is like comparing apples to peaches.....

Doesn't make sense to do so....

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In terms of minimums, 330m at the domestic and 550m at the international box office.

But I think it'll go over a billion especially if it's in 3D. If it's a good movie, 1.2+ billion is likely.

Oh it will be released in 3D. That is a given. However, I wonder if Snyder and Fong will shoot some big action and flight scenes in IMAX and in 3D?

I certainly hope so.

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It'll most likely pass a billion. I'm thinking a similar gross to Iron Man 3 ($1.2B). Movie has a lot riding on it. It's the first cinematic meeting of the world's two most recognizable superheroes, and it marks the big screen debut of Wonder Woman. If they market it right (and I'm confident they will), then it will absolutely be a huge hit.

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Batman is the only superhero to hit $1 B twice, and he's being paired with another Superhero, who just outgrossed the highest grossing pre-Avengers Marvel Studios movie.

I'm not saying that guarantees $1.5 Billion like the Avengers. If this was Christopher Nolan's Batman vs Superman, Starring Christian Bale, we'd be looking at a possible Avengers buster, but I think we're looking at the $1.1-1.2 B range, with more possible for a formal Justice League film.
Good analysis. That's how I see it too.

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a $200 million movie needs to make triple its budget to profit? wat happened to double?
Most "$200 M" movies are actually $300 M movies, due to promotion and advertising. Double that.

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Keeping in mind being in the top five in 2015 is going to be harder than pretty much any year prior.

Avengers 2
Star Wars VII
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Independence Day 2
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I have faith Batman/Superman can do it. i don't know if it'll be the number 1 of the year, but I think it has a good chance of being second or third.
Lol those two would be lucky to break 400 mil

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Was this thread really necessary? I like the logic that people have that just because it's Superman + Batman that it'll suddenly make $1bil. I'm sure stuff like story, competition and critical reactions (let's face it if the movie sucks, no one will waste their time) don't matter.

Gonna be hilarious to see the reactions here if it doesn't break $1bil. Rid yourself of expectations until we start getting material pertaining to the film.

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