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View Poll Results: What is the bar of success for Superman/ Batman at the WW box office? | |||
$600- 699 M (The level at which a $200 M film profits) |
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2 | 2.41% |
$700-799 M |
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6 | 7.23% |
$800-899 M |
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13 | 15.66% |
$900-999 M |
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8 | 9.64% |
Over $1 Billion |
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28 | 33.73% |
Bigger Than The Dark Knight Rises (Highest grossing DC film) |
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12 | 14.46% |
Bigger Than The Avengers (Biggest Superhero movie ever) |
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13 | 15.66% |
Bigger Than Titanic (#2 film ever) |
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1 | 1.20% |
Bigger Than Avatar (#1 film ever) |
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0 | 0% |
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Dnno1, how do you know that? I remember reading they were "happy" with the returns, but considering it didn't get a sequel then I'm assuming they weren't that happy. How do you know that specific number if you don't mind me asking?
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They were saving face. Superman Returns cost WB about $100 M more than Batman Begins and grossed roughly the same amount.
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Ahhha...okay. I figured it was just a lie. I mean obviously they are not going to come out and say, "We lost money", but I don't really remember reading any news reports about it being a financial failure either.
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I don't think it was just the money, either. There was no where good for the sequel to sr to go. They wrote themselves into a corner. I don't remember too many folks being excited about a sequel, but I could be wrong.
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Many Many Many Many Many people were saying MOS was a billion easy.
The marketing campaign was tremendous and wide reaching and personally the best I had seen since Avatar. Simply blanket marketing and a massive 150 million dollar marketing budget and 170 million dollars worth of product tie-ups and so many tours and displays around the U.S. and memorablie galore with tickets or standins or coloring books or toys or clothes or blankets or anything. It was insane. The result of that? 660 million worldwide. Take in the production budget of 225 million and it does seem ok but not great. People should realize that their anticipation for a movie is not equal to GA's anticipation for the movie. I think those saying it will make more than Avengers have lost the plot. |
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Regardless you can not compare MoS to BvS simply because the former does not have the brand and to some extent the novelty that the later has. That being the most popular superhero in the world in batman and the top two comic book heroes in the world in a movie for the first time respectively. Additionally, the Batman casting, riddled with controversy was itself a marketing tool has enabled WB to create an insane awareness level for this movie among the general audience without even spending a significant amount of money on marketing. So in this regard, its not being far fetched or deluded to expect a box office return of a billion as it was in MoS. |
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Regardless of marketing and people with expectations, if you look at the history of the box office, 1 billion was highly unrealistic. Only Avatar, Titanic and Alice in Wonderland have grossed a billion without being a sequel/prequel. And the highest grossing CB franchise starter is Spider-man at 821m. |
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i thought it would make a billion but then the reviews hit the **** hit the fan. i knew then it wasn't going to make as much because of that. there isn't anyone who can convince me that if it was as a good a film as tdk, it wouldn't have made as much as tdk. of course, we're talking nolan and snyder, and while snyder has what he has over nolan, i shouldn't have snyder to make as good a film as tdk. as great as i thought mos was.
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Superman Returns was going to get a sequel. But Bryan Singer left development in 2007 for Valkyrie (it's no secret he and WB had different parameters for success), then the writers left, and in 2009 the series was scrapped.
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I actually think that though box office is one measure of success, it is not the only one. I also don't think with a characters like Superman or Batman that is all that is tallied for this great numerical equation.
If the movie makes a billion then great, but I don't think the studio needs it to make a billion for them to make a profit. We fans would certainly like it to make that much so we can lord it over other fandoms. I mean that is the point right...lol |
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Wow way too early to count the chicken b4 hatch.
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Look, I'll be honest. I'm about 80% a Marvel guy, 20% a DC guy. I don't have DC fan boy goggles on, and Man of Steel made exactly what I thought it would. A joint Superman/ Batman film is a completely different beast than a sequel to MoS or even a new Batman solo. This film will make $1 Billion, unless it's the most critically reviled piece of since whatever Uwe Bole last made. |
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![]() dnno1, thank you for posting that! That's what I wanted to read because I had read all the initial things that said they were happy...blah blah. Now, SR is a good example of what might constitute a failure. It didn't need to make a billion even then though there were people (me included...lol) who thought it would. A billion would be nice, but I hope people know that's may not be needed for it to actually be a success in the studios eyes. |
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I have a feeling WB is expecting a billion, but I think that's pretty risky. Like DAChampion said, a billion is the exception, not the norm.
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This film is going to surprise some people........when it flops big time, don't expect anything monumental from this film.
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Again, we still don't know. A lot of people said MOS is auto-billion dollars (not keeping in mind that no origin story reboot has ever grossed 1bil) and look how silly they look now. |
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So it's just under 3 x it's budget, which is a good result for WB. Though considering the investment I'd say they were hoping for more around the 800 million mark. |
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Personally I think Batman v. Superman will make around 700-800 million. Considering it's going to be a very crowded summer in 2015. I think the reviews are going to play a big part in the film finding it's 'legs'. Though studios don't like to admit it, the Tomatometer and Metacritic ratings do play a large part in a film's gross and can be the discerining factor in a film becoming a record breaking hit, or simply being a success.
The other thing you have to consider is that DC films are tentpole productions. The success of these films and the money they make are integral to the studio and funding smaller projects. As a result these films often have huge expectations put on them. The people saying WB was disappointed and expected a lot more are probably right. |
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Thank you for providing that. Do you know if they use any other sort of measure to add to that figure like Blu-ray/DVD sales, or does that fall under another budget?
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I'm not sure.
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I didn't know films had to make so much to profit. The entertainment business is harsh.
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